Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

[One Brow]

But if someone isn't ready to face these hard truths and address root causes, . . .

By all means, tell us the hard truths and root causes. I'm all ears.

 

[GVC]

2. If Black people truly cared they wouldn't have been giving Sterling NAACP lifetime achievement awards.

Because the NAACP is awarding Sterling on behalf of ALL Black people? Yikes.

Sterling was a HUGE donor to the NAACP; he's effectively buying these awards for publicity. This reflects poorly on the NAACP, sure, but these awards are not voted on by ALL Black people.

Meanwhile:
72 percent of black mothers are unwed
Black males have high school dropout rates of more than 50%.
Although blacks make up just 12% of the general population, they make up nearly 44% of the prison population.
By the time they reach their mid 30's, 6 out of 10 black high school dropouts have spent time in prison.
Of the 16,000 homicides in this country each year, more than half are committed by black men.
A black man is 7 times more likely to commit a murder than a white man and 6 times more likely to be murdered.
Homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men between 15 and 29 years of age.
About 1/3 of the homeless are black men.
Young black men are twice as likely to be unemployed as white men, Hispanic men, or Asian men.

None of this is the fault of Donald Sterling. But if someone isn't ready to face these hard truths and address root causes...

How is this relevant? At all?

Also, like onebrow, what are these root causes?

 

[Bill]

The NBA Constitution was released and this paragraph is from "members other than players". It is pretty simple when it says the fine is not to exceed 1 million.
If you feel like some interesting reading, you can see a player can be found guilty of distributing illegal drugs and will be kicked out of the league, but may reapply in 2 years. It is true he may not rejoin at two years but he can at least apply.
This seems ridiculous to me.

(c) Any person who gives, makes, issues, authorizes or
endorses any statement having, or designed to have, an effect
prejudicial or detrimental to the best interests of basketball or of the
Association or of a Member or its Team, shall be liable to a fine not
exceeding $1,000,000 to be imposed by the Commissioner. The
Member whose Owner, Officer, Manager, Coach or other employee has
been so fined shall pay the amount of the fine should such person fail to
do so within ten (10) days of its imposition.

 

[One Brow]

The NBA Constitution was released and this paragraph is from "members other than players". It is pretty simple when it says the fine is not to exceed 1 million.

That's interesting information, thank you. I wonder if Silver is saying that there were multiple statements involved that were damaging, and is applying penalties per statement?

 

[fishonjazz]

The purpose of government is to protect our rights when others attempt to take them away. This will make a very interesting court case if it comes to that.

does this mean i should be able to tell boss to go **** himself and not have to worry about getting fired because the gov will protect me from consequences?

I <3 the first ammendment

 

[franklin]

does this mean i should be able to tell boss to go **** himself and not have to worry about getting fired because the gov will protect me from consequences?

I <3 the first ammendment

You're trying too hard.

 

[fishonjazz]

pirvate corporations can take it away?

Yes.

My company has told me many times that i represent my company and that if i do embarrassing and disgraceful things that make my company look bad, even when not on company time, i can be fired for it

 

[fishonjazz]

And since when did America become a land where people were unable to have an opinion? Even a wrong one?

He can still have his opinions and he can still voice them. No one is stopping him.

He just cant voice those opinions while being recorded and still own an nba team

 

[b_line]

You're trying too hard.

How is the story with Donald Sterling anything other than a boss/manager/commissioner firing or terminating a relationship due to an unfit working relationship?

This is about the NBA's profit and making sure they still have a league in the future.

 

[b_line]

Because the NAACP is awarding Sterling on behalf of ALL Black people? Yikes.

Sterling was a HUGE donor to the NAACP; he's effectively buying these awards for publicity. This reflects poorly on the NAACP, sure, but these awards are not voted on by ALL Black people.

How is this relevant? At all?

Also, like onebrow, what are these root causes?

Great points, especially the bolded part.

 

[fishonjazz]

slippery slope...

I think I heard on the radio that Mark Cuban is a little uncomfortable with the idea that an owner could be forced to sell based upon what was said in a secretly recorded private phone conversation.

i dont think sterling would be forced to sell if this tape was the only racist thing from him that is out there.

Sounds like sterling has a history of being a racist dick.

Mark cuban can rest easy

 

[franklin]

This has nothing at all to do with freedom of speech. When you sign a contract with a private organization, your speech absolutely has consequence. Now if it was the police, or the federal gov punishing him, that is a completely different story. When you are involved with an organization that you disagree with fundamentally, you have two choices, you can either be separated from the organization, or you can shut the hell up. Free speech has never been without consequence.

That may be true but it doesn't mean I have to agree with the NBA taking action against the ramblings of an old man within the confines of his whore's duplex. Nor does it mean SCOTUS would agree with you.

The conversation wasn't full and he didn't say anything racist on that recording anyway. All he was asking was for the bitch to play the role he was paying her for (delicate white or delicate latina girl). I think he'll be able to fight this and win in court on grounds of conspiracy or entrapment or some other big lawyer word.

 

[framer]

Because the NAACP is awarding Sterling on behalf of ALL Black people? Yikes.

Sterling was a HUGE donor to the NAACP; he's effectively buying these awards for publicity. This reflects poorly on the NAACP, sure, but these awards are not voted on by ALL Black people.

How is this relevant? At all?

Also, like onebrow, what are these root causes?

72 percent of black mothers are unwed.

That is a MAJOR cause right there. Anyone want to discuss this or pull on that string, cause I'm pretty sure the juicebox brigade will label them as "racist."

 

[fishonjazz]

How is the story with Donald Sterling anything other than a boss/manager/commissioner firing or terminating a relationship due to an unfit working relationship?

This is about the NBA's profit and making sure they still have a league in the future.

.

 

[fishonjazz]

(delicate white or delicate latina girl).

She half black and half mexican doe so its probably hard for her to play the delicate white girl role

 

[b_line]

That may be true but it doesn't mean I have to agree with the NBA taking action against the ramblings of an old man within the confines of his whore's duplex. Nor does it mean SCOTUS would agree with you.

The conversation wasn't full and he didn't say anything racist on that recording anyway. All he was asking was for the bitch to play the role he was paying her for (delicate white or delicate latina girl). I think he'll be able to fight this and win in court on grounds of conspiracy or entrapment or some other big lawyer word.

I did read something about how there was precedent for judges throwing these cases out on grounds that there is no governing body over the NBA, and it was purely a contract that could be terminated at any time if the NBA deemed necessary. I don't know if that will be the case this time, but I am sure Sterling will sue the hell out of the league, as he started out as an attorney, and has a history of fighting legal battles and winning.

Also, did you guys know he changed his name as an adult from Donald Tokowitz to Donald Sterling to be more socially accepted by the public? Kinda odd sidenote.

 

[framer]

Because the NAACP is awarding Sterling on behalf of ALL Black people?

Well, yeah. That's kind of the point of the organization. National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. They seem to have been handed that role by the political class and media as well. You got a problem there, it's not with me, its with them.

How is the story with Donald Sterling anything other than a boss/manager/commissioner firing or terminating a relationship due to an unfit working relationship?

This is about the NBA's profit and making sure they still have a league in the future.

If you really think this story is about that, then why in the Hell wasn't something said for the past 20 years of Sterling's idiocy! If you can't see government involvement in this narrative, then I can't really help you. There are a LOT of people who want to change the subject and this is part of that. Now that the super top secret bylaws have been released we see that what Sterling done and the punishment are only not in the same ballpark, but not in the same universe. Contract law is pretty literal and doesn't do "penumbras." Normally the target would collapse and run away. But Sterling doesn't give two rips about his legacy or reputation. He will hire a nasty lawyer and sue the NBA. Discovery should be interesting.

 

[franklin]

How is the story with Donald Sterling anything other than a boss/manager/commissioner firing or terminating a relationship due to an unfit working relationship?

This is about the NBA's profit and making sure they still have a league in the future.

Link

 

[franklin]

72 percent of black mothers are unwed.

That is a MAJOR cause right there. Anyone want to discuss this or pull on that string, cause I'm pretty sure the juicebox brigade will label them as "racist."

No, that is a MAJOR effect and I've covered this several times elsewhere. I wouldn't accuse you of making this incorrect correlation = causation out of racism, but I know several people who do so (the majority of them).

 

[GVC]

72 percent of black mothers are unwed.

That is a MAJOR cause right there. Anyone want to discuss this or pull on that string, cause I'm pretty sure the juicebox brigade will label them as "racist."

So...The root cause of black mothers being unwed is unwed black mothers? What?

And again, what is the point of making that list? How is it relevant to this discussion?