Game Thread Mar 21, 2022 05:30PM MT: Jazz at Nets

[Elizah Huge]

Yeah… I am not with the defending KD garbage. Dude is weak as **** for what he did. You’re up 3-1 on a 73-9 team and blow the lead. You then proceed to join them in free agency? Imagine if Karl Malone joined the 72-10 Bulls after they lost. That’s what happened here.

Weakest move in NBA history hands down not even close.

 

[LogGrad98]

KD haters are funny.

Yeah KD made kind of a lame move, but when your forced to play with Russell Westbrook for your entire start of your career can you blame him for wanting to join a team that played a better style of basketball?

No one blames him for wanting that, every player wants that. I am sure if every player could just pick which team to be on you would see a team full of 12 all-stars running rough-shod over the entire league all the time. But he was such a douche about the whole thing, and has been ever since. That is why it is unpopular. The fake twitter accounts to "defend" his decision, the lame ways he went after fans because he was butt-hurt about the whole thing. He is just a douchebag of the first order. Plain and simple. Look at his jr high school bullying in the all-star game an on social media. He has earned all the derision he has received. Not because of his decision but because of his entitled attitude and immature insecure way of handling the fall-out, and frankly the way he treats people. He is a piece of ****, plain and simple.

And he is one of the 2 or 3 best basketball players on the planet. No doubt. Nothing is doubting his ability. This is about his character more than anything else. Or lack thereof.

 

[LoPo]

No one blames him for wanting that, every player wants that. I am sure if every player could just pick which team to be on you would see a team full of 12 all-stars running rough-shod over the entire league all the time. But he was such a douche about the whole thing, and has been ever since. That is why it is unpopular. The fake twitter accounts to "defend" his decision, the lame ways he went after fans because he was butt-hurt about the whole thing. He is just a douchebag of the first order. Plain and simple. Look at his jr high school bullying in the all-star game an on social media. He has earned all the derision he has received. Not because of his decision but because of his entitled attitude and immature insecure way of handling the fall-out, and frankly the way he treats people. He is a piece of ****, plain and simple.

And he is one of the 2 or 3 best basketball players on the planet. No doubt. Nothing is doubting his ability. This is about his character more than anything else. Or lack thereof.

Perfect post to sum up my thoughts of KD.

Only thing I will add is that he did bail on a team that was on the verge of being good enough to beat GS because he didn't have the courage/balls/willpower to get over the hump. Weakest move ever.

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[SoberasHotRod]

I thought last night would have been a good situation to bring in Paschall. For some reason Snyder went small when it seemed like their size was bothering us. Paschall could have been a good boost of energy when we were starting to lag. He might have been able to bully his way to the rim when our offense was stagnant. I'm wondering if he could have been a large body to put on Durant. I doubt he could have stopped Durant, but maybe he could have made him work a little harder and got in to his body a little more, make him uncomfortable.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think you can definitively say they don't win without him. They had just went 67-15 and 73-9 the 2 years before KD joined them. They won 1 ring and lost the next to the best finals series one of the 2 best players of all time played in his entire career. To say they would absolutely have not won without him, with those kinds of seasons already under their belt with their current team, is ridiculous. They were at the peak of their dominance and added another weapon. If I have 5 guns pointed at you and I add a machinegun to the mix, well I would have probably won that fight anyway, but that machine gun sure made a lot of noise, right? Obviously the best gun in the mix. I don't think what he did with GS was anything special given the circumstances. It was actually expected with his level of talent and the team that was now enabling him to shine. Combining 2 recent MVPs at the peak of their careers, with a DPOY at the height of his defensive prowess, on a team that was largely intact and had just set the record for most wins in a season and went to the finals both of the previous 2 seasons and won a championship in the mix, would rarely lead to bad outcomes. It is definitely him riding coattails, not KD dragging GS out of the depths of obscurity to an improbable championship.

They likely win in 2016-17... they absolutely do not win in 17-18... Rockets had them beat with KD and choked.

There is also a scenario where he goes somewhere else or stays and the rest of the league decides to push in and go for it and GS doesn't have enough fire power. GS was a juggernaut but their style didn't always work when the playoffs got the toughest. So they needed a guy to break down the defense and score... they just happened to get the best guy at that in the league who also was a chameleon. It wasn't fair, but its also not fair to judge all these guys based on titles and then when they win we penalize them because we wanted them to do it our way. The Dirk title carries a lot more weight than the KD titles imo... but there is a good chance if you play that season over again that Dallas loses. If Dirk never wins one what is his legacy... that is what KD was looking at. He still might get one on his own.

KD is too normal imo... he just loves basketball and trolling people online. I'm sorry he didn't stay in OKC to wither and die next to Russ... its the super team era... all these guys are teaming up making these juggernauts... it isn't fun for us in the small markets for sure... but it isn't weak. It was a little lame but how many of us would look at the landscape of our careers and say "you know this situation is a little too good... why don't I pick the 3rd or 4th best scenario".

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I thought last night would have been a good situation to bring in Paschall. For some reason Snyder went small when it seemed like their size was bothering us. Paschall could have been a good boost of energy when we were starting to lag. He might have been able to bully his way to the rim when our offense was stagnant. I'm wondering if he could have been a large body to put on Durant. I doubt he could have stopped Durant, but maybe he could have made him work a little harder and got in to his body a little more, make him uncomfortable.

I don't think Quin likes him at all. Too much chaos or something. He loves him some Hernangomez doe. I just don't get how Quin makes his playing time decisions.

 

[homeytennis]

I don't think Quin likes him at all. Too much chaos or something. He loves him some Hernangomez doe. I just don't get how Quin makes his playing time decisions.

But then Juancho didn't get much PT after the half. Sometimes I wonder what is rattling around in Quin's head.

 

[LogGrad98]

But then Juancho didn't get much PT after the half. Sometimes I wonder what is rattling around in Quin's head.

He is like a guy swinging from a rope. He has other ropes around him, and occasionally he reaches out to see if they are strong or weak, and finds some of them are pretty darn strong. But the rope he has is comfortable. He knows it. He trusts it. He made it himself, in fact. So when it starts to unravel and he starts to drop toward the end, he just grips it tighter. This is his trusted rope. No way this rope can fail if he just holds on hard enough. No, none of these other ropes are worth grabbing temorarily. Sure they might give him a reprieve, maybe keep him from falling this time so his beloved rope can be fixed or just bounce back from being stretched too far. Bu no, his favorite rope is what he needs right now. White-knuckle grip that sucker, it has to keep him from falling. Right? Right?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No one blames him for wanting that, every player wants that. I am sure if every player could just pick which team to be on you would see a team full of 12 all-stars running rough-shod over the entire league all the time. But he was such a douche about the whole thing, and has been ever since. That is why it is unpopular. The fake twitter accounts to "defend" his decision, the lame ways he went after fans because he was butt-hurt about the whole thing. He is just a douchebag of the first order. Plain and simple. Look at his jr high school bullying in the all-star game an on social media. He has earned all the derision he has received. Not because of his decision but because of his entitled attitude and immature insecure way of handling the fall-out, and frankly the way he treats people. He is a piece of ****, plain and simple.

And he is one of the 2 or 3 best basketball players on the planet. No doubt. Nothing is doubting his ability. This is about his character more than anything else. Or lack thereof.

I really question the people who have this much vitriol about a dudes decision where to play basketball. Y'all get toxic and pissy if a few people on JFC insult you. I can only imagine how douchey y'all would be if you got the attention KD does.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think Quin likes him at all. Too much chaos or something. He loves him some Hernangomez doe. I just don't get how Quin makes his playing time decisions.

Cuz Paschal is *** at rebounding and team defense. Juancho seems to be instinctively better on both fronts without much practice or playing time.

 

[LogGrad98]

I really question the people who have this much vitriol about a dudes decision where to play basketball. Y'all get toxic and pissy if a few people on JFC insult you. I can only imagine how douchey y'all would be if you got the attention KD does.

Let's see, you jumped straight to race baiting in a simple discussion about maybe the most subjective of all topics, who we find attractive.

I really question the people who have this much vitriol about a dudes decision who they find attractive. Y'all get toxic and pissy if a few people on JFC disagree with you. We can all see how douchey you get trying to get the attention you feel you need to validate yourself.

Seriously dude, get help. Before you act out in real life and hurt someone.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I didn’t expect a win given the B2B, but it sure would have been nice. Glad to see Quin mix it up with Butler there, but really didn’t understand putting him out there with Conley and Clarkson. We needed size and length. Really wish we had a coach willing to mix it up more. Paschall in particular seemed like he could have had a good impact tonight.

I didn't understand the three guard lineup either, and at the worst possible time. Paschall was fabulous in that Clippers win and then Snyder is like Eric who? ever since. Go figure? Seems like it would have been worth a try to give Paschall a go on Durant or perhaps Juancho since he'd been shooting over Royce, Forest and getting whatever he wanted against Gay. Definitely better than going to the three guard thing with undersized or slow wings that couldn't guard their own grandma IMO.

 

[LogGrad98]

I didn't understand the the three guard lineup either, and at the worst possible time. Paschall was fabulous in that Clippers win and then Snyder is like Eric who? ever since. Go figure? Seems like it would have been worth a try to give Paschall a go on Durant or perhaps Juancho since he'd been shooting over Royce, Forest and getting whatever he wanted against Gay. Definitely better than going to the three guard thing with undersized or slow wings that couldn't guard their own grandma IMO.

I really think the bigger problem was our inability to contain anyone not named Durant. When Durant was sitting they extended their lead. We couldn't even hang with their bench. Durant is going to get his. We needed to make him beat us on his own, but instead we let everyone beat us.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Cuz Paschal is *** at rebounding and team defense. Juancho seems to be instinctively better on both fronts without much practice or playing time.

Yeah I’m not sure. Eric was producing but I can see why Quin might prefer Juan. I do think part of it is the preference for the guys that run the system and are predictable… even if they aren’t as productive individually. I could see Juan staying on next year and being a solid minimum guy. I think Eric is outta here.

I’d love to see Quin alternate guys like Paschall and Juan on back to backs… get some rested fresh legs in there.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I didn't understand the the three guard lineup either, and at the worst possible time. Paschall was fabulous in that Clippers win and then Snyder is like Eric who? ever since. Go figure? Seems like it would have been worth a try to give Paschall a go on Durant or perhaps Juancho since he'd been shooting over Royce, Forest and getting whatever he wanted against Gay. Definitely better than going to the three guard thing with undersized or slow wings that couldn't guard their own grandma IMO.

Eric went on like a personal 8-0 run in the clipper game and Quin pulled him… I’m not the biggest Paschall fan but Quin seems to have his favs.

 

[One Brow]

Seriously dude, get help. Before you act out in real life and hurt someone.

Any post @Saint Cy of JFC makes is x% serious and (100-x)% trolling, with x being anywhere from 1 to 99. Much like Castle Heterodyne, he still thinks he's funny.

 

[kabenac]

At the gym today I saw the highlights for this game on ESPN. It literally only showed Durant taking shots. Not one speck of film showing the Jazz shooting.

This was a cringe game. We'd better keep the 4th seed as we're so mediocre on the road.

 

[KqWIN]

This is nonsense… he won two finals mvps. I get he joined a stacked team but they don’t win it without him. He was the best player on two title teams… how is that wasted time? His Brooklyn years are a much bigger waste of his talent since he’s had no help.

Do you think KD is fulfilled and has nothing else to prove? I don’t think so. He joined a 73 team that had already won without him. Without him, they would have continue to be massive favorites.

When you compare his two to Giannis’s one for example, there’s no doubt which accomplishment people respect more.

If you’re one of the top 10-15 talents ever, people are going to nitpick. Winning those two titles did not help his legacy like he had hoped. If he had not joined the Warriors and not won a championship, I don’t think people would think of him differently. His accomplishment with the Warriors was expected and not impressive.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Let's see, you jumped straight to race baiting in a simple discussion about maybe the most subjective of all topics, who we find attractive.

I really question the people who have this much vitriol about a dudes decision who they find attractive. Y'all get toxic and pissy if a few people on JFC disagree with you. We can all see how douchey you get trying to get the attention you feel you need to validate yourself.

Seriously dude, get help. Before you act out in real life and hurt someone.

deflection

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Do you think KD is fulfilled and has nothing else to prove? I don’t think so. He joined a 73 team that had already won without him. Without him, they would have continue to be massive favorites.

When you compare his two to Giannis’s one for example, there’s no doubt which accomplishment people respect more.

If you’re one of the top 10-15 talents ever, people are going to nitpick. Winning those two titles did not help his legacy like he had hoped. If he had not joined the Warriors and not won a championship, I don’t think people would think of him differently. His accomplishment with the Warriors was expected and not impressive.

I think all these guys feel they have something to prove until they retire. I think he feels great about his two titles and now he is trying to do it in a little bit more of a solo role. Just like Lebron, he has a shot to get one or two in a different way and then he will be 4 time champion, not 2 time champ with 2 asterisk titles.

I do think Giannis' title will continue to be more impressive, but he was like a millimeter away from getting bounced in the second round by a KD team that had almost nothing else. Will people remember that the Brooklyn team would have likely beat the Bucks if Harden or Kyrie were healthy? Should we put an asterisk on that title?

Did those titles and finals mvps solidify his standing as a top 15 NBA player... probably not. If he won no titles staying in OKC (as he would have since everyone says GS was an unbeatable juggernaut even without KD) - then his resume is waaaaaaaay less impressive. Stacked team or not he went out against the second or first best player in NBA history and won... he hit the key shots... he was the best player on his team. Is CP3's legacy more impressive? Will KD be remembered as a better player than Chuck, Mailman, Ewing?

Winning a title is hard/impossible... almost all title teams are stacked... some more than others but Magic, Bird, etc. aren't ding'd because they did it with the teams that drafted them. I mean is KD, Steph, Green, Klay way more stacked than MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Toni Kukoc with great role players like Harper, Longly, Kerr... It wasn't guaranteed to be a championship either... remember when prime Lebron, Wade and Bosh lost to Dirk?

It wasn't a waste of time and it will help his legacy to have the titles... even if the degree of difficulty isn't good enough for some.