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Marc Stein: Jazz-Warriors discuss pre-Lottery trade (Source says trade "likely")

Just throwing my vote in with Wes. I've watched 15+ pages enough to know we're on the same page. If KOC gets on here tomorrow and takes a vote, and I'm unavailable, I'll vote with Mantooth. Just sayin'.
 
BluesRocker said:
I was looking at all time assists, and Andre Miller is starting to work his way up there. Kind of surprising. I wonder how much longer he can play? Miller in the 10th spot, 2300 behind Mark. He probably won't pass him, but might end up pretty close. Miller, with his ground game, might play a long time.
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I wouldn't want either one. They are both are just like what our bench is now.
 
If the Jazz can get a pick in the top half of this draft, that would be awesome. We have a 28% with GSW's pick, and we need to cover the balance with trade scenarios. If GSW can help us, then fine, but who cares what they want...

PJIII, TJones, Marshall, Lilliard, TRoss, Moultrie, Q.Miller, Rivers, Harkness, Waiters, Taylor, and two orders of Lamb..... *licks chops*
 
PKM said:
With that I'm torn. So I agree, to an extent. Understanding odds and being in a gambling group (I'm not), I look at it through those goggles. Odds against us this year. Level those odds out by getting unprotected next year. Playing the thin line odds .. so much more to it than that, for sure, but that's the starting point.
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Odds, schmodds.... The odds were against the Ws before the last coin flip.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We can agree to disagree then. 'Cause imo, the Warriors are very likely to be better next year, thus changing the pick to unprotected moot.
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Ya becasue, if that pick ends up sliding then you essentially traded it for garbage. Think about it... If we don't ask a lot and all we got back was some cash and what turns out to be something like a 14th pick in '13, then we trade the 8th overall pick in this draft for the 14th in next years and some cash. The only way you could assure you would feel good about what you have done when it is all said and done, is if you ended up with, like what wes is saying is the 30th+35th+14th in '13, if it went the other way on you and the pick slid. And even then you would still feel burned. It's a huge gamble. It's not like KOC to gamble. I think he pulls out unless he gets something really good from GS. I hope so anyways.

Where that pick falls on draft lottery night will make all the difference in the world in how everybody will look at this trade.
 
Catchall said:
If the Jazz can get a pick in the top half of this draft, that would be awesome. We have a 28% with GSW's pick, and we need to cover the balance with trade scenarios. If GSW can help us, then fine, but who cares what they want...

PJIII, TJones, Marshall, Lilliard, TRoss, Moultrie, Q.Miller, Rivers, Harkness, Waiters, Taylor, and two orders of Lamb..... *licks chops*
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Obviously. This would be ideal. The whole question is;

if I were to flip a coin 4 times and you choose tails, are you willing to let it ride (all you own), to get heads 3 outta 4?
 
I think all the talk is done in this thread. Decisions are made. Moving on for me. I can be happy either way .. it's a gamble regardless.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We can agree to disagree then. 'Cause imo, the Warriors are very likely to be better next year, thus making the protected/unprotected conditions moot.
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Really? A team with its 2 best players who have had enormous injury issues? No cap flexibility? No depth whatsoever? When I look at them, I see a team that would need a lot to go right to finish with the 10th worst record in the league.
 
PKM said:
Obviously. This would be ideal. The whole question is;

if I were to flip a coin 4 times and you choose tails, are you willing to let it ride (all you own), to get heads 3 outta 4?
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Yes, because it's a shot at a nice lottery pick, and I've got nothing to lose. Your offer to take #30 and walk away doesn't make me fold (not that #30 doesn't have some value) ....Especially because I know that if I don't win #8 this year, I get #13 next year anyway.
 
Catchall said:
Yes, because it's a shot at a nice lottery pick, and I've got nothing to lose. Your offer to take #30 and walk away doesn't make me fold (not that #30 doesn't have some value) ....Especially because I know that if I don't win #8 this year, I get #13 next year anyway.
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Fair. I 100% respect that. Based on my personal paradigm, I wouldn't, but I cannot fault yours at all. You are one of the best posters, for sure, catchall.
 
I'm bored... We give up Al, completely give them back their pick. We'll take on Biedrins contract, but we get Curry and the right to swap picks with GS either next year or the year after.

GS gets to keep their pick, get rid of Biedrins contract for a better player that's also expiring, and when we do cash in, they still get a 1st rounder.

We get rid of our black hole, get our star PG and deep threat at the same time, and while when we do cash in we'd have to give up our first rounder, but theirs would essentially be unprotected.
 
margodydek said:
I'm bored... We give up Al, completely give them back their pick. We'll take on Biedrins contract, but we get Curry and the right to swap picks with GS either next year or the year after.
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Too tired, with all due respect. This thread has been exhausting.
 
Catchall said:
We're talking about the fact that the Ws pick next year(2013) is likely to be in the 10 - 14 range, even with their injury problems, meaning that re-negotiating the protection on that pick isn't likely going to net us anything.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about taking our chances with getting the #8, but I do think you're missing something here. Suppose we get them to drop the protection to top 3 protected, and they end up having injury problems again, and it looks like they will not be in the playoff race again. Regardless of what people think, they WILL tank again to try and keep their pick, if they're not in the playoff hunt. Obviously they're not likely to be bad enough to finish bottom 3, but the closer they get, the better their odds of jumping into the top 3. That would put Utah in a great position to get a very good pick if they tank and come up short, just like this year, only in the 4-7 range instead.

Some people assume their fan base wouldn't tolerate tanking again, but that just isn't the case. That team has absolutely no trouble selling tickets, and for every fan they have that hates tanking, they have 5 who understand the implications of losing a pick while winning a few meaningless games. The majority of their fans not only supported their tank this year, but they were actually pissed that their FO made it so close, instead of making absolutely sure they kept their pick.
 
Freak has a way of saying what I'd like to say .. but I lack the care to express it all.

Way to go mattzoid.
 
Catchall said:
If the Jazz can get a pick in the top half of this draft, that would be awesome. We have a 28% with GSW's pick, and we need to cover the balance with trade scenarios. If GSW can help us, then fine, but who cares what they want...

PJIII, TJones, Marshall, Lilliard, TRoss, Moultrie, Q.Miller, Rivers, Harkness, Waiters, Taylor, and two orders of Lamb..... *licks chops*
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28%? Who are you gonna believe, me or Stein?.
 
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