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Marc Stein: Jazz-Warriors discuss pre-Lottery trade (Source says trade "likely")

What the hell could Andre Miller or Mark Jackson in their primes do for this team? Is that really being posed as a point of discussion?
 
NUMBERICA said:
What the hell could Andre Miller or Mark Jackson in their primes do for this team? Is that really being posed as a point of discussion?
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How old are you? Did you ever see him play? Mark Jackson was a million times better than Devin Harris could ever hope to be. He truly understood the position of point guard. For his career, he averaged 8.0 assists per game and just 2.4 turnovers in 30 minutes per game. Very, very good numbers when you factor in a couple of really poor/mediocre seasons late.
 
PKM said:
and he's an accomplished loser too .. he excelled at it.
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Jackson was integral in helping the Pacers make one NBA Finals and coming a minute or two away from making a second (the previous year), being the one team who ever pushed the Bulls to seven games. He was not a loser.
 
freakazoid said:
There's no probablies about it. If they're not in the playoff hunt for any reason, they will try to keep their pick. It isn't even a question.
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northeast said:
Incorrect, because if they don't get the pick if it is 4-7, then they don't have a lot of incentive to tank to get 4-7.
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I've already explained this. The higher they finish, the more lotto balls they get. So if they finished 4 or 5, even though they wouldn't get the pick, they still have a very good chance at jumping into the top 3 in the lotto. So yes, if they're not in the running to make the playoffs, they would still try and give themselves the best chance possible of keeping their pick. They have no trouble selling tickets, so they have no reason not to protect their future interests. Anyone who believe they won't tank again, for whatever reason, is only kidding themselves.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Jackson was integral in helping the Pacers make one NBA Finals and coming a minute or two away from making a second (the previous year), being the one team who ever pushed the Bulls to seven games. He was not a loser.
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Was referring to the tank job this year.
 
Detroit is going to get lucky and jump into the top 3. I've had that feeling in my bones ever since the lottery odds were set.
So, if I were KOC, I'd want the Warriors to wow me. Anything short of an unprotected pick next year + 30 + a swap of our second round picks... and I walk. Call that unrealistic if you like.

While I think this draft class has been consistently over-rated from day #1, I do think that #8 is equal to about #5 in general. For a team that is already infused with young talent, you don't walk away from the chance to land a "top 5" talent. If you can push those odds to next year + pick up assets because they have nervous, sweaty chodes, then you do it.
 
NAOS said:
Detroit is going to get lucky and jump into the top 3. I've had that feeling in my bones ever since the lottery odds were set.
So, if I were KOC, I'd want the Warriors to wow me. Anything short of an unprotected pick next year + 30 + a swap of our second round picks... and I walk. Call that unrealistic if you like.

While I think this draft class has been consistently over-rated from day #1, I do think that #8 is equal to about #5 in general. For a team that is already infused with young talent, you don't walk away from the chance to land a "top 5" talent. If you can push those odds to next year + pick up assets because they have nervous, sweaty chodes, then you do it.
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You and I are pretty much on exactly the same page. Especially on the Detroit thing. I just feel it.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yep. Both he and Davis feel like Pistons types to me, especially the former though.
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For the record. If somehow Detroit ended up with Knight, MKG, Prince, and Davis on their team, I wouldn't pull for them to win anymore than I do now (none). I'd pull for them as individuals, but couldn't care less about the team.
 
NUMBERICA said:
What the hell could Andre Miller or Mark Jackson in their primes do for this team? Is that really being posed as a point of discussion?
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A hell of a lot more than Devin Harris or any of the other realistic possibilities. Interesting that this theoretical wouldn't be popular considering how many Rondo-induced stiffies are generated on this forum.
 
PKM said:
For the record. If somehow Detroit ended up with Knight, MKG, Prince, and Davis on their team, I wouldn't pull for them to win anymore than I do now (none). I'd pull for them as individuals, but couldn't care less about the team.
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Well, they couldn't end up with both Davis and MKG.
 
shadler said:
Good that you think that way. If Andre was a great player why did he play for so many teams and always on the verge of being traded? And Miller is one of my favorite players but I never looked at him as a great player. Not like a lot of people on this board who thought jimmer was the next best thing to replace dwill in their fantasy land. You have your view on the draft and I have mine. We can get a good pg in the draft but you talking about less then 28% of getting the 8th pick to begin with and then more then likely that pick ends up being a bust. If you think Jackson and Andre Miller are FRANCHISE players then that is your thinking. With or without the trade the jazz are more then likely not going to have a pick to begin with and there is nothing more I would love to see then gs loose that pick. But on the other hand rather then loosing it you can get two draft picks next year and two this year. You also have a lot of different options of doing trades in the draft. Or the jazz could go and try and trade for another young up and coming player from another team. They will have more options to work with.
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Last message to you troll...

Shaq played for 6 NBA teams. Mark Jackson played for 7.

Shaq is regarded as one of the best players of all time.

Don't judge someone by the amount of teams they have played for. There is a lot of criteria on how to judge a player. # of teams they have played for is one of the weakest IMO.
 
I followed Indiana pretty closely in the Mark Jackson days. I wasn't thrilled with Mark as I recall.. Davis Davis Smits and Miller were the guys I remember.
 
The Thriller said:
Last message to you troll...

Shaq played for 6 NBA teams. Mark Jackson played for 7.

Shaq is regarded as one of the best players of all time.

Don't judge someone by the amount of teams they have played for. There is a lot of criteria on how to judge a player. # of teams they have played for is one of the weakest IMO.
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Alrighty then :confused:
 
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