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Max Out Bradley Beal?

We can max Beal and they will gladly match... It's a no brainer for them. Sounds as though they already have a wink-wink deal anyway.

We at much more likely to sign a guy like Eric Gordon but the money that even an injury prone guy like him will get is going to be crazy. My guess is he gets close to 15M per year. Max for Beal is 20ish M... Based on age and price if I had the choice I'd rather have Beal but both guys scare me if I'm a GM.

I agree with this. There is very little chance we can get Beal. Washington is very unlikely to match even a max deal. This years max deal will still be a good deal in a couple years as the cap is going to keep rising. But we should go after Beal and DeRozan even though they are unlikely to sign here. Gordon is a good risk to take as well but I agree he might get paid way too much for the risk to be worth it.
 
Because if we don't throw max money at a questionable "star", our FO isn't trying hard enough and we're going to lose Hayward as well as a whole grip of fans.

Isn't that the narrative of this offseason?
Lol. We have to max someone! Maybe even two someones!
We need to max luol deng, Jordan clarkson, and Evan Turner!

Like 22 million?

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Sounds about right
 
He is only 22 years old averaging 17 points per game and a career .400 3 pt shooter. I would be very happy if the Jazz picked him up. Not sure if he is quite worth max but if we got him for max and he stayed healthy he would greatly improve our team.
He is only 22? No way. Was he drafted when he was like 16? Seems like he has been in the league for like 4-5 years already.
 
I think age matters. NBA experience does help players but so does college especially at a place like Duke under a great coach. Age matters for the body as well and its development. One year in your 20s can make a huge difference in physical abilities. Most athletes dont peak strength and performance wise until 30. Age also effects your maturity.

Beal shoots a better percentage on more shots. He scores more points. He hits a higher percentage of his three point shots as well. He is an all around better scorer and more of a threat on offense.

Not sure how Hood is a much better rebounder, they rebounded the exact same amount in the same amount of minutes. If you want to give a slight edge to Hood for his height great but he is not a much better rebounder.


Neither is a good defender so I would call that a wash. Hoods length is nice and helpful but Beal is a slightly better athlete.

The only risk Beal poses is his injuries but that is a risk I would take as a GM. Beal had a rough time getting going the last 2 seasons due to injuries. When he was 19 in this league he put up 17 points a game. When healthy he is going to average over 20.

Also look at how much better the Wizards were with a healthy Beal and an injured Beal.

Beal has a better advanced stats at Win Shares at 13.4 to 8.1. Beal has a much better Value over replacement player at 3.3 to 2. Beal has a better PER, win% and better WARP.

Then lets talk about Beal in the post season where he has played at a higher level. Last year he averaged 23.4 points per game 5 boards and 5 assists. He played great in the playoffs. That experience at a young age would be great for this team.

So yes I would take Beal over Hood as a better younger player. Also this is not replacing Hood it is adding Beal. We would have both players. We have minutes for both players and it would make us a better deeper team.
Pretty Damn good post.

I kinda want to max beal now. I have always been a fan
 
Locke has been proposing the idea of maxing out Bradley Beal as a way to get a true star on our team. Would you do it? Keep in mind, this will mean we'll be saying goodbye to some of our core players when, or before their contracts come up.

Obviously, Wizards have the right to match, but they might not, since they aren't pleased with their current performance, and are still holding out hope for. KD and Al Horford.


I'd do it. When something like this is potentially available, you have to try. At his age, he is going to get better. That 3 ball is deadly! We'd definitely make the playoffs next year, could re-sign Hayward, and then worry abouu trading him after we got a new contract on him (get a better haul).

Wait, wasnt Locke hating on Beal? I dont think he was advocating to sign him.
 
I like Beal, if he wasn't injured so much i'd say yes go after him but he's missed a tonne of games

Which is the only reason we would get him... This reminds me of the jimmy butler nonsense last year... Everyone said we should max him even though there was no damned way it was going to not get matched. If he signed our max he'd be costing himself money... He will get 5year max with higher raises from Washington. They will keep him...

DL should at least make the phone call but I'd move on real quick.
 
I think he's a bit undersized for a 2-guard and is only an average athlete by NBA standards. He doesn't finish inside all that great, and he needs to work off a pick to get a look on even an average defender. His own defense is mediocre. He's decent, but I don't think he's really a star.

I'd rather throw money on Fournier or buy low on Ben McLemore.
 
I think age matters. NBA experience does help players but so does college especially at a place like Duke under a great coach. Age matters for the body as well and its development. One year in your 20s can make a huge difference in physical abilities. Most athletes dont peak strength and performance wise until 30. Age also effects your maturity.

Beal shoots a better percentage on more shots. He scores more points. He hits a higher percentage of his three point shots as well. He is an all around better scorer and more of a threat on offense.

Not sure how Hood is a much better rebounder, they rebounded the exact same amount in the same amount of minutes. If you want to give a slight edge to Hood for his height great but he is not a much better rebounder.


Neither is a good defender so I would call that a wash. Hoods length is nice and helpful but Beal is a slightly better athlete.

The only risk Beal poses is his injuries but that is a risk I would take as a GM. Beal had a rough time getting going the last 2 seasons due to injuries. When he was 19 in this league he put up 17 points a game. When healthy he is going to average over 20.

Also look at how much better the Wizards were with a healthy Beal and an injured Beal.

Beal has a better advanced stats at Win Shares at 13.4 to 8.1. Beal has a much better Value over replacement player at 3.3 to 2. Beal has a better PER, win% and better WARP.

Then lets talk about Beal in the post season where he has played at a higher level. Last year he averaged 23.4 points per game 5 boards and 5 assists. He played great in the playoffs. That experience at a young age would be great for this team.

So yes I would take Beal over Hood as a better younger player. Also this is not replacing Hood it is adding Beal. We would have both players. We have minutes for both players and it would make us a better deeper team.

In regards to rebounding, Hood is at 10 or 11% rate and Beal is at 6%. So almost twice the rate. You can't just look at basic stats, your teammates matter. So yea, Hood is a much better rebounder.

As for age, college experience, etc...it's not like Beal played for some bum in Donovan...he's doing a pretty good job with the Thunder these days. So each played under good coaches for one year (Hood had a RS year). And you'd have a point on age if Beal was less than a year younger, but he's a year younger. Doesn't matter. 4 years of pro experience vs 2 years means more than one year of being alive. Cmon.

Lol at saying that Beal has Win Shares though. You're comparing their totals, so it's shocking that Beal would have more WS totals in 4 years than Hood in 2...he's played twice as much!! Lol. Compare their average numbnuts, you'll find that Hood is better. Crazy he has more win shares on a team with a worse record...

Yes, Beal's PER is higher...by one point. When you compare everything else, it's pretty negligible.

Beal did have a good playoffs year last year, but not that great. Sure he put up 23 points a game...it took him 20 shots though. It took him 42 minutes a game. They're good numbers, but they're not that good.

Bradley Beal has never even put up an Ortg as good as Hood, in over twice the time. He's never posted a positive net rating. He has a great PG...maybe he's just not that good?

And finally, Utah was better with Rodney Hood on the court. Washington was better with Bradley Beal off the court. You wanna give a max to him? You think he's that much better than Hood? Beal can't even get around a freaking screen, how's he going to fit into our system? It's all pretty simple. Hood is a better player. Overall, the statistics show it.
 
In regards to rebounding, Hood is at 10 or 11% rate and Beal is at 6%. So almost twice the rate. You can't just look at basic stats, your teammates matter. So yea, Hood is a much better rebounder.

As for age, college experience, etc...it's not like Beal played for some bum in Donovan...he's doing a pretty good job with the Thunder these days. So each played under good coaches for one year (Hood had a RS year). And you'd have a point on age if Beal was less than a year younger, but he's a year younger. Doesn't matter. 4 years of pro experience vs 2 years means more than one year of being alive. Cmon.

Lol at saying that Beal has Win Shares though. You're comparing their totals, so it's shocking that Beal would have more WS totals in 4 years than Hood in 2...he's played twice as much!! Lol. Compare their average numbnuts, you'll find that Hood is better. Crazy he has more win shares on a team with a worse record...

Yes, Beal's PER is higher...by one point. When you compare everything else, it's pretty negligible.

Beal did have a good playoffs year last year, but not that great. Sure he put up 23 points a game...it took him 20 shots though. It took him 42 minutes a game. They're good numbers, but they're not that good.

Bradley Beal has never even put up an Ortg as good as Hood, in over twice the time. He's never posted a positive net rating. He has a great PG...maybe he's just not that good?

And finally, Utah was better with Rodney Hood on the court. Washington was better with Bradley Beal off the court. You wanna give a max to him? You think he's that much better than Hood? Beal can't even get around a freaking screen, how's he going to fit into our system? It's all pretty simple. Hood is a better player. Overall, the statistics show it.

Great thing is if you sign Beal you are getting both players and the Jazz have room for a max player and room to resign our players over the next 2-3 years just fine.

Normal stats are good, Advanced stats are good the Eye test is good but they all have their flaws. I think it was you claiming Middleton was one of or the best wing defenders in the NBA since advanced stats had him there. Then suddenly this year he drastically dropped off when his team defense got worse this year. Although Khris did step up more than I thought he would on offense this year. Kind of a tangent I guess he shouldn't be your leading scorer as their record indicates.

So lets start. I disagree with your entire premise about age. Ill take the younger player every time. I understand your argument and disagree. I would listen to an argument about training age vs actual age or about physical maturity that happens for different athletes at different ages but neither of us has access to that information. So without knowing those things about these players ill still take the younger player if everything else is equal stats wise. Ill also expect his body to hold up longer and physically mature more over that 1 year. That has always been my experience with the NBA and college players that I have trained.

As far as rebounding goes I am looking at the advanced stats and I show Hood at 6.3% and Beal at 6.2%. Looking at every stat available they rebound at the same rate. So I am not sure where you got your numbers from but they are the same at rebounding.

As far as win shares goes I am showing Beal higher on average as well unless you are just looking at this season where Beal missed a large chunk of the season and his team basically had the same record at the Jazz. His Warp is better and a 1 point in PER is not a ton but it is better. Beals player impact is higher. Beals team with him Healthy last season made the playoffs and won the first round of playoffs. This year with him injured and slowed with injuries for a large portion of the season they missed the playoffs. That is a large impact.

You can say his stats were not that great last year in the playoffs due to efficiency of taking 20 shots but advanced stats show him as the top player for his team in both series. At the age of 21 he was the leading scorer in 7 out of the 10 games and was a large reason they won the first playoffs series. He also averaged 24 point still per game in the games where he was the primary ball handler when Wall went down for three games. Additionally the year before at the age of 20 he helped get his team to the playoffs (which again didnt happen when he missed a large chunk of the season this year) he lead his team in scoring in a playoffs series win and was the leading scorer in 5 of the 10 games they played in the playoffs.

Again pointing out that Wizs are better this season in which Beal played very little and was injured and recovering for the majority of it with him off the court does not prove he didnt help his team. They were a much worse team this year than the previous years with him.

Yes Beal did play with a solid PG. But Hood played with solid players around him as well such as Hayward being the primary option on offense. They both played 2nd to someone. The Jazz and Wizs had very similar seasons. Had Beal been healthy this season they would have made the playoffs. As far as Ortg goes Hood was 102 and then 104.9. Beals has been 98, 103.8, 104.7 and 103.6. So the are pretty close to the same. Beals was lower his first year but for the last three years he is basically at 103 and so is Hood. Once again you claim he has never posted a positive net rating yet he did both his 2nd season and 3rd season. In that third season he had a much higher positive net rating of 5.8 then Hood has ever had which is 3.3. With that said I dont find that stat very useful especially the defense side of that. Defense stats work for a team not for an individual. They are really inconsistent and the team defensive scheme has more to do with that stat often than the individual does. The only stat I really like for defense is the one about players staying in front of the ball handler. But even that stat changes with schemes of switching on screens or if they are trying to funnel a player somewhere.

There are a couple stats that might point to Hood having a slight edge in a couple things. Overall most stats point to Beal. Beal has a much better track record and has done a lot more with his career even if you only compare their first two year in which Beal came into the league 2 years younger and did more. Ill take the more accomplished, better stats and younger in age player ever time. But again this isnt a trade in this scenario it is trying to get both on our team.

That was a lot of ramblings and I dont really care to edit it much.
 
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Oh my goodness. I was looking at his defensive rebounds and thinking it was total. That's my fault. I'll get back to you tomorrow on the rest of it when I can actually function properly. My bad.
 
Oh my goodness. I was looking at his defensive rebounds and thinking it was total. That's my fault. I'll get back to you tomorrow on the rest of it when I can actually function properly. My bad.

Its cool, that happens. Realistically after looking at the stats in great detail and having watched them both play plenty. Ill admit its closer than I thought but I still give the edge to Beal for multiple reasons. I just want more talent on this team and we can keep Hood. We have room for a max player and I think we should use it. Beal is on the list of players I doubt we get but would be happy if we did pretty similar to how I feel about DeRozan. His health is a risk but I think it is worth the gamble.
 
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