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That came from a guy who said Anthony Marshall was as sure handed a PG he has seen. OOOOOKKKKK. I love Marshall as much as the next reb fan but lets get real bro.
McCollum vs Burke vs Schroeder
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That came from a guy who said Anthony Marshall was as sure handed a PG he has seen. OOOOOKKKKK. I love Marshall as much as the next reb fan but lets get real bro.
Are you down there watching the ball ATM bro??
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Ok now I know you are trolling or are just wildly incompetent suddenly.
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I went yesterday. Try and go again Tuesday night.
The conclusions I have:
- Wolters doesn't look good right now. Players run by him and he can't defend right now. He's going to need to work hard.
- Carter-Williams can straight-line drive. That's about it. Inefficient player.
- So far CJ McCollum is patterning his game after Ben Gordon, but he makes a few good passes. He has a 1:1 assit:turnover ratio.
- Schroeder can pass and defend. He'll make some home run passes. He can disrupt passing lanes with his long arms. He can also get by his defender, but can't do much at that point unless he gets all the way to the rim or the baseline. Not a good shooter when contested. Has limited offensive moves.
- Wolters doesn't look good right now. Players run by him and he can't defend right now. He's going to need to work hard.
- Carter-Williams can straight-line drive. That's about it. Inefficient player.
- So far CJ McCollum is patterning his game after Ben Gordon, but he makes a few good passes. He has a 1:1 assit:turnover ratio.
- Schroeder can pass and defend. He'll make some home run passes. He can disrupt passing lanes with his long arms. He can also get by his defender, but can't do much at that point unless he gets all the way to the rim or the baseline. Not a good shooter when contested. Has limited offensive moves.
Some pretty banged on points here.
Burke's value is going to be his offensive repertoire and shooting... I haven't been impressed with his passing so far, he needs to look to pass first before getting his own shot.
His favorite interview is: "I always look to make plays for myself and my teammates"
Stockton would have put it the other way round "My teammates and then, myself".
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Normally, but it is also due to his speed and choosing when to drive. He doesn't finish well in contact yet, but his speed allows him to blow past guys, so he is blowing past the defenders to avoid all contact. Teaching him to draw contact and finishing isn't as hard as teaching someone to have turbo boost in their shoes.
Burke got bruised and beat up and went to the FT line because he was too slow and unwise when going to the rack --hardly call that an accomplishment.And this is my problem with the pick. Why pick him if we're going to groom him to be Mo Williams? We should pick our PG's in the mold of Stockton (passing and defense, yet capable of having some offensive impact: i.e. Schroeder).
Normally, but it is also due to his speed and choosing when to drive. He doesn't finish well in contact yet, but his speed allows him to blow past guys, so he is blowing past the defenders to avoid all contact. Teaching him to draw contact and finishing isn't as hard as teaching someone to have turbo boost in their shoes.
And this is my problem with the pick. Why pick him if we're going to groom him to be Mo Williams? We should pick our PG's in the mold of Stockton (passing and defense, yet capable of having some offensive impact: i.e. Schroeder).
How do you perceive Schroeder as being a better passer and scorer than Trey? Based on what?
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I use my eyes and watch the games.
Seriously though, the only games that we can compare of the two are their SL perfomances because the college and euro games are so different, so with that, I have seen Schroeder look like a pure point who has averaged 7.50 assists per game thus far compared to Burke's 3.67. Burke had a couple nice passes, but Schroeder has had more. My other point was defense (not scoring, although Schroeder has been more efficient in SL with that as well), and that is easy as well since Burke came away averaging 0.33 steals a game, while Schroeder is averaging 2.50, etc.
I've said many times that judging SL performance is stupid, but when someone has as bad as a showing as Burke did on almost all facets of his game, I think my concerns are more than justified.
Btw.. I wasnt calling you out. It was a sincere question.
I was blisteringly high on Schroe after watching the Nike Hoops Summit.
I was just tempering due to it being just one game.
My perception of things now is Schroe has the greater upside and Burke is the more safer/surer pick.
I still like Burke because I think he has it right upstairs and in a big way.
Look who's talking.
Or if there's one position you don't swing for the fences for is PG. Get a heady, mentally tough guy that can lead a team of studs.
I see Burke as that guy FAR more than Dennis.
Just a hypothetical.. if we had Burks, Hayward, Jabari, Favors, Kanter.... I want Burke leading that stable of players...
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Maybe, but the same could be said for Mo. He was great when his shots were falling but his shot selection was the problem. We should be more concerned about Burke's ability to set up other guys and run the offense not about his shots falling. He took too many ill-advised shots when he should've been passing the ball, just like Mo.
I am not sure CJ will be in the League in 5 years. He still needs to prove he is more than just undersized SG and can play a PG position. He had nice stats final year in College, but that based on the relatively small game sample as he missed most of the the season, and his overall assists, assists to TO ratio, and 3 shooting has not been great against poor competition. He never has led his team to be even top 25 ranked, unlike Burke, who made Michigan #2. He is also over a year older than Burke, which makes a big difference at that level. The only thing he has on Burke is size - 2 inches taller. But in spite of size, Burke had far and away better College career in fewer years than CJ. Perhaps CJ will beat the odds and make it in this League, but I am not so sure. Looking at the odds, there is better chance of Burke being an all star than CJ being a solid rotation player / occasional starter in 5 years. Burke may not be Chris Paul, but he is a lot close to Chris Paul based on his accomplishments than CJ is to Deron. This was not a 50/50 choice, it was absolutely obvious Burke was the better draft choice, and it is not even close.
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Orangello, you seriously need to stop with this ****. It's absolutely unbearable. This is the Gordon Hayward meltdown all over again. Did Hayward look unpromising at times in his 5ppg debut season? Uhh yeah-- in fact, he didn't look like he could stay in the league until after the DWill trade.
Yet here we are, deciding that a player doesn't look promising after a glorified scrimmage. Gods.
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it was the ****ing SUMMER LEAGUE
Right now Schröder displays everything I have been raving about when making first assessments over here. Mature decision making, Great defense, Teamplay. The only concern is his ability to add bulk and improve his jumper at that point. But as he getts more accustomed to the NBA travelling rule, he will get to the basket as long as the pick is set properly. He'll read the defender who goes underneath the screen and choose the right speed/direction to command a 2nd defender at the rim and find the open man.
If Burke doesn't find a way to command help defense and facilitate from there, he won't have the same success as Schröder IMO. While I'm not making any conclusion about him I simply express my concerns from SL. He may get it under control, but up to that point he didn't actively look for angles and his teammates, which is a concern for me for every Point Guard. You don't want your primary ballhandler to be selfish to win a chip. I can't remember the last selfish championship offensive catalyst, not named Kobe or MJ.
If Burke doesn't find a way to command help defense and facilitate from there, he won't have the same success as Schröder IMO. While I'm not making any conclusion about him I simply express my concerns from SL. He may get it under control, but up to that point he didn't actively look for angles and his teammates, which is a concern for me for every Point Guard. You don't want your primary ballhandler to be selfish to win a chip. I can't remember the last selfish championship offensive catalyst, not named Kobe or MJ.