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Miami Hurricanes To Get Death Penalty?

7StraightIsGreat

7StraightIsGreat

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With all of the allegations coming to light in regards to the Miami Hurricane football program, I honestly think we're going to see the NCAA hand down the Death Penalty for the first time since SMU in 1986. The brunt of SMU's violations was paying players. IMO Miami is in much deeper than that. I heard on the radio today that there's literally "thousands" of Hurricane violations the NCAA is currently looking at. Most revolve around players receiving cash, cars, sex and in one case paying for an abortion for a player and a girl he knocked up.

I'm totally in favor of Miami getting the death penalty. It seems like there's just too much of a mess there to try and attempt to clean it up on the go. Time to hit the reset button and build from the ground up. It's also a great time for the NCAA to show that they're actually going to use their authority. If not now, when? IMO the NCAA looks completely nutless if it takes some scholarships away and bans Miami from bowl games for 3 seasons.

I was too young to really remember the SMU situation . I was interested to read the ins and outs of what it looks like when the NCAA hands down the "Death Penalty":

....SMU football had already been placed on three years' probation in 1985 for recruiting violations. At the time, it had been on probation seven times (including five times since 1974), more than any other school in Division I-A.[4]

However, in 1986, SMU faced allegations by whistleblowing player Sean Stopperich that players were still being paid. An investigation found that 21 players received approximately $61,000 in cash payments, with the assistance of athletic department staff members, from a slush fund provided by a booster. Payments ranged from $50 to $725 per month, and started only a month after SMU went on its original probation (though it later emerged that a slush fund had been maintained in one form or another since the mid-1970s). Also, SMU officials lied to NCAA officials about when the payments stopped.

While the school had assured the NCAA that players were no longer being paid, the school's board of governors, led by chairman Bill Clements, decided that the school had to honor previous commitments made to the players. However, under a secret plan adopted by the board, the school would phase out the slush once all players that were still being paid had graduated.[5]

As a result:

The 1987 season was canceled; only conditioning drills (without pads) would be permitted until the spring of 1988.

All home games in 1988 were canceled. SMU was allowed to play their seven regularly scheduled away games so that other institutions would not be financially affected. The university would ultimately choose not to do so.

The team's existing probation was extended to 1990. Its existing ban from bowl games and live television was extended to 1989.

SMU lost 55 new scholarship positions over 4 years.

The team was allowed to hire only five full-time assistant coaches, instead of the typical nine.

No off-campus recruiting would be permitted until August 1988, and no paid visits could be made to campus by would-be recruits until the start of the 1988–89 school year.
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I don't think they get the death penalty... because we're talking about boosters committing violations... not the team management.
 
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The-Joker said:
I don't think they get the death penalty... because we're talking about boosters committing violations... not the team management.
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Huh?

6 coaches... 7 if you include the head basketball coach... Were all aware/participated in this dude's shenanigans.

As coaches, you can't take bribes, prostitutes, abortions, etc from boosters. As coaches, you have the responsibility to stand up for what's right! Even if you aren't taking bribes but know of players who are, you gotta stand up. 70+ players involved, 7+ coaches involved, years of corruptions, and this isn't even the first time this university has had violations.

KILL them.

Eventually these greedy ADs, stupid *** coaches, and immature young men will learn. Kill enough college programs and eventually, they will get it through their thick skulls that corruption and bribery is not the way to go.

it's time that these universities are reminded on what CAN happen... Kill Miami. And watch all of a sudden, a bunch of universities clean up their acts. All of a sudden coaches will actually care about their athletes. Athletes will all of a sudden be held accountable by one another (and coaches). All of a sudden ADs and Presidents won't look "the other way." Heck, even communities, boosters, and businesses might help them keep the rules knowing that if they participate they could end up losing their programs and destroying their colleges.

Reggie Bush
Cam Newton
Teryl Pryor, Jim Tressel
Oregon
Miami...

I've had enough of this nonsense. Make an example out of Miami. Kill them and send a memo out to everyone else. From Snow college to Alabama. You break the rules, you WILL suffer.
 
What happened to SMU will be the reason Miami won't get the death penalty. The NCAA still feels kind of bad about the SMU situation I think. There will be a harsh penalty but not that harsh.
 
I think dark times are ahead for NCAA football if they do not kill Miami. Football programs will run even more wild than they do now. Whats the incentive to run a clean program when you can be dirty as hell, win a few national championships and then have them revoked years down the road? Maybe on paper they take away your titles and/or bowl wins, but in theory the schools still have the profits from those seasons and the fans still have the memories of greatness.

If the NCAA hands down anything short of the death penalty, it shows they have no real interest in enforcing and regulating college football. Period.
 
prodigy said:
What happened to SMU will be the reason Miami won't get the death penalty. The NCAA still feels kind of bad about the SMU situation I think. There will be a harsh penalty but not that harsh.
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That's my take on it as well. It wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA never uses the death penalty again. I think Miami will get hit with some pretty steep and severe penalties that will last several years. I can see something like we've never seen before. I think a significant loss of scholarships (20?) over the next 10 years, with no postseason play for that long as well. To me that sends the same message as the death penalty.
 
jazzman12 said:
I think dark times are ahead for NCAA football if they do not kill Miami. Football programs will run even more wild than they do now. Whats the incentive to run a clean program when you can be dirty as hell, win a few national championships and then have them revoked years down the road? Maybe on paper they take away your titles and/or bowl wins, but in theory the schools still have the profits from those seasons and the fans still have the memories of greatness.

If the NCAA hands down anything short of the death penalty, it shows they have no real interest in enforcing and regulating college football. Period.
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I see your point but don't think it's necessarily the case. I'm not exactly sure for how long other teams have been penalized and ineligible for bowl games for their violations in the past. I think it's typically been 2-4 years if I remember correctly. Using that as a benchmark, I think a 6-12 year bowl game ban, among other things (people being fired, all those involved in ANY WAY AT ALL being permanently disallowed from having ANY involvement in ANY UM sports in any way AT ALL...even attending games, a HUGE financial penalty in the ballpark of 10M if the NCAA can do such things, a loss of many scholarships annually) would be crippling but not necessarily the "death" of the school's sports' program or even academic climate which may (I have no idea) rely heavily on its sports' related revenue.

The death penalty would also mean the ACC, as a football conference, becomes infinitely weaker than it already was and I'm not sure the NCAA wants to do that. Especially if there's a chance that FSU and Clemson could end up bolting to the SEC, though I know the SEC said they're content with their current 12 team core.

Either way, I'll likely be happy with whatever ruling comes down. As a Florida State fan, this should only mean bigger and better things are coming.
 
SalmonHobo said:
.....The death penalty would also mean the ACC, as a football conference, becomes infinitely weaker than it already was and I'm not sure the NCAA wants to do that. Especially if there's a chance that FSU and Clemson could end up bolting to the SEC, though I know the SEC said they're content with their current 12 team core.
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Pat Forde has a good article on ESPN that brings up this very point. He says too much money is tied up in ACC TV contracts etc. to see Miami wiped out completely. I guess others losing money will have to be factored in to Miami's punishment. However, you bring up a possible 6 to 12 year bowl ban. If I was a Hurricane fan, I'd almost rather see the death penalty and have my team resume normal operations after about 3 years. Trying to recruit players to Miami when they won't be bowl eligible for around a decade doesn't seem to amount to them having much of a football team. FSU and Florida will eat them alive in in-state recruiting and I assume they'd fall behind the entire ACC in that regard as well.

Regardless of what the NCAA does, I think it's fair to say that Miami returning to any type of football prominence is a loooooong way off. That being said, they still deserve the death penalty, but it seems unlikely that they'll get it.
 
prodigy said:
What happened to SMU will be the reason Miami won't get the death penalty. The NCAA still feels kind of bad about the SMU situation I think. There will be a harsh penalty but not that harsh.
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Agreed - and no matter how bad it turns out, 5 years from now the university as a whole will be painted as the victim.

Not to mention money - 1986 was a different time. There is just way too much money involved in college football now to give a high profile university the death penalty.
 
Does saying the NCAA will penalize next years class of players(after they are long gone) really make these guys say no to sex,cash, etc. Obviously not.

One thing I've never understood about handing out penalties in the NCAA is why the penalties don't follow the offending coaches no matter where they go.

I don't know how well banning guys like Tressell or Carroll would do at this point but it would have to be better than just putting teams on probation.
 
I'm still hoping the Jr. Jazz Association doesn't find out about our sex parties, abortions and money from the parents we received in 2000 when we won our championship.
 
I can imagine a recruit considering Miami or BYU in 2008...

Recruit: What can both of your schools offer me?
BYU Recruiter: A morally oustanding insitute of fine education and relationship with the Mormon God.
Miami Recruiter: Cocaine,Expensive Whores, and Yachts.
Recruit: I choose Miami
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I can imagine a recruit considering Miami or BYU in 2008...

Recruit: What can both of your schools offer me?
BYU Recruiter: A morally oustanding insitute of fine education and relationship with the Mormon God.
Miami Recruiter: Cocaine,Expensive Whores, and Yachts.
Recruit: I choose Miami
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Recruit: You had me at, "whores".
 
If Miami doesn't receive the death penalty or something very similar (no bowls for 10 years, 10 less scholarships a year for 10 years) then there is no reason to NOT cheat. The NCAA will have shown its all a dog and pony show anyways. Miami HAS to be ruined, or the message sent is you SHOULD cheat and HAVE TO cheat to win a title. It really is as simple as that.
 
green said:
If Miami doesn't receive the death penalty or something very similar (no bowls for 10 years, 10 less scholarships a year for 10 years) then there is no reason to NOT cheat. The NCAA will have shown its all a dog and pony show anyways. Miami HAS to be ruined, or the message sent is you SHOULD cheat and HAVE TO cheat to win a title. It really is as simple as that.
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The message will be, "If you're a big school and cheat, the punishment will depend on how much money your program bring to the NCAA."
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I can imagine a recruit considering Miami or BYU in 2008...

Recruit: What can both of your schools offer me?
BYU Recruiter: A morally oustanding insitute of fine education and relationship with the Mormon God.
Miami Recruiter: Cocaine,Expensive Whores, and Yachts.
Recruit: I choose Miami
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On Philly sports talk radio, Hugh Douglas explained the difference between the different levels of whores. He broke down price ranges, and what you could and could not do in each range, and what types of diseases, post-contact consequences to worry about. I for one and glad you care about our youth, and only offer expensive ones.
 
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