Mic’d up segment Donovan/Quin
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jope
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We just have to come to terms that we have an aging $40M+ big man who’s primary offensive skills are setting questionably-legal screens and being taller than everyone else. He can’t catch, pass, dribble, post up, pivot, or shoot reliably from anywhere on the floor.
It’s hard to get a guy the ball consistently when he can’t do any of those things.
On the other side of the coin, we have multiple perimeter guys who are making “star” money who’s primary defensive skills are watching people dribble past them.
The team is fractured and flawed. You can have 1 or 2 1-dimensional players and be successful if they are elite, but you can’t build an entire roster of 1-dimensional players and expect long term success.
It’s hard to get a guy the ball consistently when he can’t do any of those things.
On the other side of the coin, we have multiple perimeter guys who are making “star” money who’s primary defensive skills are watching people dribble past them.
The team is fractured and flawed. You can have 1 or 2 1-dimensional players and be successful if they are elite, but you can’t build an entire roster of 1-dimensional players and expect long term success.
In the same post you:
1. Suggest that people have “built up in their mind” a positive view of Rudy.
2. Spend the entire rest of the post conjuring up hypothetical scenarios in your mind to counter #1.
LoPo
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There is more tangible evidence that Rudy is a diva yet Donovan is the one who takes the brunt of criticism around here for team issues.
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Ineptimusprime
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I don’t know that I see a ton in those mic’d up clips. I did like Mike’s reaction to duck in and start the “ra ra” clapping to break up the awkward exchange between Quin and Rudy.
I appreciate the low drama guys like Mike and Bogey just being pros, man.
There’s clearly some stink somewhere on this team. It sure feels like Quin, Donovan, and Rudy are all neck deep in it. Don’t know who or what the problem is, but I can tell you I’ve not appreciated how Quin has basically coddled his guys the last month.
Joe really may have been the straw that stirred the drink.
I appreciate the low drama guys like Mike and Bogey just being pros, man.
There’s clearly some stink somewhere on this team. It sure feels like Quin, Donovan, and Rudy are all neck deep in it. Don’t know who or what the problem is, but I can tell you I’ve not appreciated how Quin has basically coddled his guys the last month.
Joe really may have been the straw that stirred the drink.
sahlensguy
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Rudy is on an island. On the court and in the locker room. The Jazz provide Donovan with layers of teammates and coaches around him. Money is all the Jazz provide for Rudy. He is the fall guy.
LoPo
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Lol. Poor Rudy. Nobody helps him on defense. Nobody can get him the ball when he's wide open in his 3 foot x 3 foot space. Nobody tries hard like him.
Maybe, just maybe, Rudy puts himself on that island. He has the same coaches as Don. Outside of Don's friend Paschall, no roster move has been made for Don and Paschall clearly doesn't play regardless of that friendship.
Don is the one who gets blamed in the media. Don is the player who gets blamed by everybody around here. Fall guy? Get out of here with that "woe is me" mess.
sahlensguy
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Conley was seen as a mentor to Donovan. Royce is a bud. The system is built so no one else dominates the ball than Mitchell. It's all about him. Exum was the only guy who's play ever benefited Rudy. Heck, they even brought in Joe to comfort him! No, they kept Rudy on an island the whole time.
homeytennis
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They brought Boris Diaw in to be Rudy's bud but the oddest personnel move regarding Rudy is when they jettisoned Neto.
No, because Rudy tries hard on both ends fans like and respect him more. Does he have shortcomings? No ****, but it's not like Mitchell where his shortcoming is effort on one end.
Is it really that shocking to you that the Utah Jazz fanbase, a fanbase that has been molded for the last 30 years to hate selfish volume scorers, is going to turn on Donovan Mitchell?
And IDK if the casuals have turned on him yet, but it's clear the more dedicated side of the fanbase already has or is beginning to.
Are you on crack?
Last year it was **** on Rudy-Fest after Game 6. Even you were ******** on him and acting like it was his fault the defense sucked in game 6. It was the most embarrassing **** on the board possible and really hurt your credibility as someone who can watch a basketball game and understand what is happening,
Now that smarter minds have prevailed the rest of the casual fans are starting to take notice of the real issues, and those start with how ****** the perimeter defense is. There is one player on the team who has all the potential in the world to be a good defender, but is instead one of the worst in the NBA.
*ALSO* you are so desperate to crown Donovan the leader of the team and the best player, but you act like a little bitch when he starts getting the blame. I thought the best player was supposed to shoulder the blame?
This is the dumbest ****ing conversation on the board.
Both Rudy and Donovan need the same type of players around them. They are insanely symbiotic on the court, which is what make the whole relationship being **** so sad.
Both players need a dedicated starting level PG on the team. Mitchell is naturally score first mentality and can't properly balance scoring/facilitating throughout the course of a game consistently. Would it be better if this player was taller/longer, sure, but you can't get everything you want. Mitchell is also incapable of feeding Gobert consistently, so Gobert needs a PG for that. *This is where the loss of Ingles is so crucial because he helped Gobert and Mitchell out so much as he was our best passer for the past handful of years*
Both players need spacing. Since the main weapon we have is the Gobert/Mitchell PNR, we need spacing around it. Getting shooters, which is what Utah did, greatly benefits both Don and Rudy.
The issue is that we did so much to address the needs of Gobert AND Mitchell on the offensive end that we completely ignored the defensive end. I think the Jazz FO both overrated how much Rudy can cover up on D and how much effort Mitchell would be willing to play with on that end. I doubt the Jazz could foresee how ****ing lazy Mitchell would become on defense.
And obviously Rudy isnt a buddy/buddy type dude. I doubt he wants to be friends with his coworkers like that. I think he probably has his Day 1 dudes and he keeps his circle small. Maybe that rubs people the wrong way vs Mitchell's more charismatic appeal. I dont think the FO has gone out of there way to get either players friends on the team. I think that is overblown by people.
I have no problem with a player being selfish on offense as long as they are efficient. My upbringing from my AAU, HS and college coaches all taught similar concepts. Work hard on both ends, and get the best shot. If you have a good shot you can make, take it. It isn't a "Jazz" thing. My problem is a player that won't hustle on both ends.
It was one play, but Donovan walking up the ball, with no pressure, and getting a backcourt violation may have cost us the Denver series. This whole teams seems to be strolling when other teams are sprinting. Selfishness and laziness on D are my biggest issue. Don still seems to just walk the ball up. Push the damn ball in the playoffs.
The thing is, a proper coach would ensure that **** doesn't happen. Sloan quit when a player wasn't running the right sets, and management wouldn't let him bench the guy. Soft *** **** from our management.
I would rather have players that buy in and play a team game, but have no issue with someone who can get theirs on offense as long as they compete hard on both ends. Kobe was selfish, but was a very hard working defender.
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Bawse Dawg
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If ****ing Hayward hadn't bailed. Maybe Mitchell finds his place on the team by being the defender he was projected to be coming out of the draft and getting wide open three-point shots. Over time his game could grow into the all-purpose scorer, but with less pressure and volume needed. If he had earned his stripes as a 3 and D player, instead of being handed a team his rookie year his trajectory is probably SO much better.
It's so hard to take his 'passion and intensity' seriously when he has the tools to be a top tier defender, and simply doesn't give a ****.
It's really too bad. We'll be playing the 'what if' game with this team for a generation.
It's so hard to take his 'passion and intensity' seriously when he has the tools to be a top tier defender, and simply doesn't give a ****.
It's really too bad. We'll be playing the 'what if' game with this team for a generation.
LoPo
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Conley was brought in for everybody. A "cater to Don" move would have been getting a wing instead of an undersized PG known for leading his own team.
Royce was given a chance because he was close to Don, but Royce earned his contract. Don has zero impact on who plays or gets paid.
Offensively, we run stuff purposefully for Bojan. Conley. Don. Clarkson. At the end of games, it's ends up in Don's hands because we lack creative options with our closing 5.
Rudy has been here and supported the whole time. But regardless, are you giving Rudy reasons (excuses rather) to be a diva? Because he's not catered to enough?
Okay Mr. "I never personally attack our players"
LoPo
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Attacking him? I am predicting what he has done and is doing.
Lots of players are divas.
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There is no way you aren't trolling.
Lopo is such a coward lmfao.
Just admit you dont like certain players. It's OK to do that.
Just admit you dont like certain players. It's OK to do that.