fallenchicken
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So, I think all we need to know is that James Dolan supports Willard Mittens Romney.
Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama
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The Thriller
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And how many Mormons are voting for Romney because of his faith?
I don't think we will gain much bringing religion and race into this...
Like most Christians foolishy think Republicans are the "Christian party".....snicker
Damn, they must have made a mistake earlier. I knew it was too good to be true.
TheSilencer1313
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You can say it's a dumb comment all you want, but I thought it was pretty much common knowledge.
So I didn't think I had the need to site a link showing black voting statistics when voting for a black versus white candidate.
As per posted by mellow.
It wasn't meant to be a racist statement, it's just how things are for whatever reason.
Just like the fact that I support neither Obama nor Romney.
It's not about race, it's about the issues.
TheSilencer1313
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Yeah, just like George W. Bush is actually a satanist.... hardy har har
TheSilencer1313
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lol.... I didn't bring religion into it, I brought the race card into it.
A stunning 6% more of the Blacks voted for Obama, compared with Al Gore. Clearly blacks only vote based on race, it has nothing at all to do with policy or party affiliation.
1984 Walter Mondale 90% Ronald Reagan 9%
1988 Michael Dukakis 90% George H.W. Bush 10%
1992 Bill Clinton 83% George H.W. Bush 10%
1996 Bill Clinton 84% Bob Dole 12%
2000 Al Gore 90% George W. Bush 9%
2004 Kerry 88% George W Bush 11%
2008 Obama 96% McCain 4%
If you truly believe that blacks vote only on race, then you would believe that Herbert Cain would trounce Hillary Clinton. Do you?
green
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The race/religion topic is kind of dumb.
If blacks only voted for blacks, then when two whites ran against each other, they should have a more even split among blacks. The problem with the blacks are racist, is that most blacks voted democrat before Obama and will vote democrat after Obama. So, it isn't that blacks only vote for blacks. The truth is most blacks are democrats.
Same for Mormons and Republican. Most Mormons are republican. They voted republican before Mitt and will do so after.
That is why this argument is stupid. Blacks do not equal racists when they vote. They equal democrat. Mormons do not equal racist when they vote for a Mormon. They equal Republicans.
If blacks only voted for blacks, then when two whites ran against each other, they should have a more even split among blacks. The problem with the blacks are racist, is that most blacks voted democrat before Obama and will vote democrat after Obama. So, it isn't that blacks only vote for blacks. The truth is most blacks are democrats.
Same for Mormons and Republican. Most Mormons are republican. They voted republican before Mitt and will do so after.
That is why this argument is stupid. Blacks do not equal racists when they vote. They equal democrat. Mormons do not equal racist when they vote for a Mormon. They equal Republicans.
So, your numbers say that McCain received less than half the support from the black population than any previous republican presidential candidate, and you're saying it's not a factor? I think it's pretty tough to suggest that "most black men only look at the race card" as the numbers don't support that argument, but to imply that race is an insignificant factor in the vote is incorrect. The same could be said for Mormons/Romney. There are varying degrees of "most".
But then again why shouldn't a black man vote for another black man, or a mormon vote for a mormon? Most minority groups rarely have someone in office that looks like them, or that shares their same belief.
I just don't like how the majority of Mormons are duped into thinking Republicans are "more christian" than Democrats. but that is another argument altogether.
If you are a Mormon why not vote for someone that represents your beliefs just on that level? That seems reasonable to me.
I just don't like how the majority of Mormons are duped into thinking Republicans are "more christian" than Democrats. but that is another argument altogether.
If you are a Mormon why not vote for someone that represents your beliefs just on that level? That seems reasonable to me.
Walk off homerun from the rookie in his first start. Thread over. Woohoo.
TheSilencer1313
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Seriously? There have been no major candidates for president except for Barrack Obama ever.
What does a stunning 6% more blacks voting for Obama have to do with a stunning 6% less blacks voting for Al Gore?
In the Gore election, there was no black man to vote for.
As well as all the other elections you mentioned had no black man to vote for.
Oh, and his name is "Herman Cain", and why would blacks vote for another black man when another black man is already president?
So you're telling me that you surmise that if the current president today was white, and Mitt Romney went up against Herman Cain, that the majority of black voters would not be voting for Herman Cain?
TheSilencer1313
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Not really. Very weak.....
margodydek
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If someone votes for someone because they think that candidate will do something for their demographic because they share the same skin color or they are members of the same religion, they're stupid. However, if they vote for him because they believe they share the same values, then that makes sense.
TheSilencer1313
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You can call those people stupid all you want, but it happens with the majority of zombie voters in this country unfortunately.
theNBAnerd
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i knew pop was liberal. he has made some faux-cryptic comments about who he supports.
the black men debate is stupid race impacts people's choice, as much as we don't like to admit it. go read about the bradley effect or even look at local utah campaigns like reyes or this year's 2nd district congressional race and you'll see examples of people who pretend they don't care about race when the pollster calls, but then on election day they suddenly feel more comfortable with a candidate they identify with. that said, it also doesn't surprise me that there is so much support for romney among the NBA community since a lot of millionaires would probably much prefer the republican tax approach to obama's.
also, 80% of utah mormons inside utah vote rep, but i've seen numbers to suggest that the gap is far less for mormons outside utah. there are plenty of mormon dems, and if you don't believe me ask senator reid. utah's mormon advantage for romney won't matter much anyway, since we always know where this state's electoral votes are going.
the black men debate is stupid race impacts people's choice, as much as we don't like to admit it. go read about the bradley effect or even look at local utah campaigns like reyes or this year's 2nd district congressional race and you'll see examples of people who pretend they don't care about race when the pollster calls, but then on election day they suddenly feel more comfortable with a candidate they identify with. that said, it also doesn't surprise me that there is so much support for romney among the NBA community since a lot of millionaires would probably much prefer the republican tax approach to obama's.
also, 80% of utah mormons inside utah vote rep, but i've seen numbers to suggest that the gap is far less for mormons outside utah. there are plenty of mormon dems, and if you don't believe me ask senator reid. utah's mormon advantage for romney won't matter much anyway, since we always know where this state's electoral votes are going.
Probably about as many as voted for John McCain because he was a republican. Ergo, no Mormon democrat is going to vote for Romney.
That's obvious. I'm not saying that should be the only reason, but it can play a part. You feel some personal connection to him or her, because of something else besides the same old politcal talk.
If you really don't see a big difference between the parties, or would like to feel represented by race or belief that does have merit.
If you are a Mormon, and you've never seen a Mormon president. He probably has many of the same values as you, or you'd like
to see what a Mormon would do in office. That's understandable. Why not? If Harry Reid was running for President you might vote Democrat. Voting the man, and his personal beliefs over his party.