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MoTown16 said:
Good thoughts (except for listing Foye 2x).
Substitute Hayward for Foye in that 1st group and that's my vote for the starting five. Favors and Al inside and Mo and Marvin outside. Gordon provides some driving and hopefully improves his shooting. If he could ever master the Harpring shot (hitting off the curl), Hayward would be deadly.

Not that the Jazz ever need to have a purely "2nd unit," but I do like the outside shooting of Foye paired with the drive and dish ability of Burks. I just don't know why the Jazz insist of subbing "en masse." There's simply no need to have 5 subs on the floor at any given time. Jazz could always have 2-3 main guys on the floor with their subs. Of course this season the bench is much deeper. There may not be much of a drop when the subs come in, especially if Burks and Millsap are the main offensive options. But if Kanter can't provide some punch, I think you'd have to make sure either Gordon or Marvin are in there at SF, vs. the defense-minded Carroll, or one-dimensional Evans.
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Crap. The Foye with Kanter, Millsap, Hayward and Burks should be Tinsley.
 
yeah, the only problem is his better numbers have come as a starter. Off the bench he's been horrendous (look at last year).

I think it would take a very talented coaching staff to consistently put Foye in a position to be successful night after night.
 
If Foye starts at the 2 and Hayward at the 3 I don't think that would be a bad thing. Burks can still get good minutes as the back up 2 an Marvin played off the bench almost all of last year. Just as long as Burks doesn't get shut out of about 20-23 min a game I don't care who starts
 
Foye under no realistic circumstance (that doesn't include several injuries) should start.
 
We have been below average for some time at SF, so Marvin should be a big upgrade, even if he isn't near Lebron-like. We are so loaded at SG, I have to wonder (don't like it though!) if they'd trade Burks if the right deal came along. He just looks like he wants to a star, taking mucho shots, a la CJ. Thing is, he's also more talented than CJ...
 
Is this the first time that people have concidered the possibility that Marvin might start? Ask yourself: Which Jazz players are more talented at the 3 than Marvin? Hayward? We all like Hayward, but I'm not sure that he's more talented than Marvin. Millsap? Starting him at the 3 is something to keep him on the floor, not because he is good at the spot. Evans? Um, no. I'm running out of players here, I would bet a moderate amount of money that not only will Marvin start at the 3, but that it is actually the right decision.

Of course that means that some other players won't be getting as much time, namely young players, but Marvin isn't a grandpa or anything, he has at least another five years of peak performance in him, so that's fine. My opinion is that Foye is the odd man out here. If Hayward plays the 2 that either takes Burks' minutes or makes him a 1 both of which makes time for Foye minimal and almost eliminates Tinsley and Watson.
 
cctrackstar said:
Is this the first time that people have concidered the possibility that Marvin might start? Ask yourself: Which Jazz players are more talented at the 3 than Marvin? Hayward? We all like Hayward, but I'm not sure that he's more talented than Marvin. Millsap? Starting him at the 3 is something to keep him on the floor, not because he is good at the spot. Evans? Um, no. I'm running out of players here, I would bet a moderate amount of money that not only will Marvin start at the 3, but that it is actually the right decision.

Of course that means that some other players won't be getting as much time, namely young players, but Marvin isn't a grandpa or anything, he has at least another five years of peak performance in him, so that's fine. My opinion is that Foye is the odd man out here. If Hayward plays the 2 that either takes Burks' minutes or makes him a 1 both of which makes time for Foye minimal and almost eliminates Tinsley and Watson.
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I always thought Marvin would be the starter. Foye being a vet and a good shooter is what makes me question it. I can see Corbin Starting Foye just because it spaces the floor for Al. So that means ether Hayward of Marv is going to be coming off the bench.

I would much rather it be Hayward at the 2 and Marv at the 3 for sure.
 
cctrackstar said:
Is this the first time that people have concidered the possibility that Marvin might start? Ask yourself: Which Jazz players are more talented at the 3 than Marvin? Hayward? We all like Hayward, but I'm not sure that he's more talented than Marvin. Millsap? Starting him at the 3 is something to keep him on the floor, not because he is good at the spot. Evans? Um, no. I'm running out of players here, I would bet a moderate amount of money that not only will Marvin start at the 3, but that it is actually the right decision.

Of course that means that some other players won't be getting as much time, namely young players, but Marvin isn't a grandpa or anything, he has at least another five years of peak performance in him, so that's fine. My opinion is that Foye is the odd man out here. If Hayward plays the 2 that either takes Burks' minutes or makes him a 1 both of which makes time for Foye minimal and almost eliminates Tinsley and Watson.
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I'm beginning to understand why you're called crack star.
 
If Corbin is Sloan Jr., then he'll want a veteran presence on the 2nd unit. Of course, there's always Tinsley, but my guess is with Mo heading up the starters, Foye will be that presence for the subs.
Have to admit this is way too hard to predict. For Game 1, I'd go with the big line-up, just to show respect for Favors AND Millsap.
 
MoTown16 said:
... the Jazz have 7 guys right now that should probably start (Favors, Millsap, Jefferson, Hayward, Mo and Marvin Williams, and Burks).
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Burks is not a potential starter - see below.

MoTown16 said:
... I do like the outside shooting of Foye paired with the drive and dish ability of Burks.
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What drive-and-dish ability? Last season he would drive into a crowd and shoot regardless, instead of dishing off to the open man. He had a worse assist/minute rate than Al Jefferson. He shot like CJ Miles/Josh Howard (both frequency and success rate), passed worse than our alleged "Black Hole", and had the entitlement issues of Roger Braille. Unless he learns to play well with others and respect his teammates - and I'm hoping it's a maturity thing, 'cos CJ proved you can't fix stupid - he will be a waste of talent.
 
Mantis said:
Burks is not a potential starter - see below.

What drive-and-dish ability? Last season he would drive into a crowd and shoot regardless, instead of dishing off to the open man. He had a worse assist/minute rate than Al Jefferson. He shot like CJ Miles/Josh Howard (both frequency and success rate), passed worse than our alleged "Black Hole", and had the entitlement issues of Roger Braille. Unless he learns to play well with others and respect his teammates - and I'm hoping it's a maturity thing, 'cos CJ proved you can't fix stupid - he will be a waste of talent.
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Hi Sunshine, how are you?

I loves it when someone comes in here with gloom and then returns to **** on Anti-Jefferson rhetoric.
 
Mantis said:
Burks is not a potential starter - see below.

What drive-and-dish ability? Last season he would drive into a crowd and shoot regardless, instead of dishing off to the open man. He had a worse assist/minute rate than Al Jefferson. He shot like CJ Miles/Josh Howard (both frequency and success rate), passed worse than our alleged "Black Hole", and had the entitlement issues of Roger Braille. Unless he learns to play well with others and respect his teammates - and I'm hoping it's a maturity thing, 'cos CJ proved you can't fix stupid - he will be a waste of talent.
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Yep, he's got a similar mindset to CJ. Difference is he drives looking for fouls instead of jacking up 3's. Still wants to be 'da man'. An improvement over CJ's style for sure, but if he doesn't get better at looking for open teammates, he'll never make it as a PG either...

A ton of Potential at SG; no Kobe-replacements just yet...

I see Foye getting some PG minutes against some of the bigger scoring PGs that Mo will struggle to defend... Likely a better option than Burks, whose PG skills have yet to emerge at all, IMO...
 
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