MOAR RUMORS

[Coach Ellis]

Id be fine with getting Cory Joseph. That's exactly the kind of low-key move that could pay off well. Still like Neto also.

I'm greedy. If Burke is going to be involved in a trade, I'd try to get both of them. I'm not concerned about how it affects Cotton or Hanlan. Hopefully those guys show enough to stick around, but the odds aren't great for them.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Tomic might be kicking himself after seeing the multimillions floating around in free agency. Never heard $$ for his 3-year deal, but I assume it is comparatively paltry.

Unless he negotiated a buyout, and the 3 year deal with Barcelona was just to set his contract floor for the next 3 years. Makes sense to have that in his back pocket instead of counting on the Jazz making him an offer worth his while. Take the deal on hand, and then try to negotiate from a position of strength. Pretty sure that's how I'd have played it if it were me.

 

[phippsj]

Tomic should be kicking himself because he's an idiot. Sure, he's a star, in a country that is barely bigger than California, in a sport that is ranked behind bullfighting in popularity. Money aside, the ACB is the second best basketball league in the world, but there is a huge difference between it and the NBA. It's like winning gold in the Special Olympics when you could be competing for a medal with the very best of the world. If that's his mindset, I'm glad he's not on our team. We don't need luke warm.

He's a multimillionaire living in one of the best cities in the world. Yeah, pure moron.

 

[zyzz]

I would really prefer to try to sign Cory Joseph and then try to trade away Neto for literally anything.

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ESPN sources say newly unrestricted free agent Cory Joseph is closing in on a deal with the Toronto Raptors

He's from Toronto

 

[Sexual Favors]

He's a multimillionaire living in one of the best cities in the world. Yeah, pure moron.

This is what Locke said. I don't agree. His basketball career is halfway over. He could retire anywhere in the world, and his NBA paycheck would be similar to his ACB check. Competitors seek competition, they aren't content with being the big fish in a small pond.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I would really prefer to try to sign Cory Joseph and then try to trade away Neto for literally anything.

Why do you want to trade him away without even caring what you get? What have you seen that tells you Neto is worthless.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Why do you want to trade him away without even caring what you get? What have you seen that tells you Neto is worthless.

He's currently a historically bad shooter for the PG slot, and I wouldn't expect his 3-pt numbers to increase with the extended NBA line. He shot 66% from the FT line last year, indicating that he truly doesn't have a good shot and it's not just shot selection. Oddly, his shooting numbers have regressed the older he's gotten.

Pretty good assist numbers for the foreign leagues, and he seems to be a good, smart distributor. Gambles a lot on defense, probly no more than an average man defender. I haven't seen much that would indicate he could be even a decent backup.

The reason I would trade him for peanuts is bc he's easily replaceable, and Trey Burke is easily better than him. So is Cotton. Hell, Kendall Marshall is better than him and he can't find anywhere to play. So what value do you see from him?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

He's currently a historically bad shooter for the PG slot, and I wouldn't expect his 3-pt numbers to increase with the extended NBA line. He shot 66% from the FT line last year, indicating that he truly doesn't have a good shot and it's not just shot selection. Oddly, his shooting numbers have regressed the older he's gotten.

Pretty good assist numbers for the foreign leagues, and he seems to be a good, smart distributor. Gambles a lot on defense, probly no more than an average man defender. I haven't seen much that would indicate he could be even a decent backup.

The reason I would trade him for peanuts is bc he's easily replaceable, and Trey Burke is easily better than him. So is Cotton. Hell, Kendall Marshall is better than him and he can't find anywhere to play. So what value do you see from him?

All I've seen are a few Summer League games two years ago and a couple of World Cup games. I felt like he had very competent leadership skills. I remember one Wold Cup game where he looked particularly good. His passing was excellent and his shooting seemed good as well. I haven't looked at his stats (didn't even look at his measurables until someone mentioned them in this thread). I'm surprised to hear the percentages are as bad as you say. I'm going to look into that in more detail.

 

[RandyForRubio]

All I've seen are a few Summer League games two years ago and a couple of World Cup games. I felt like he had very competent leadership skills. I remember one Wold Cup game where he looked particularly good. His passing was excellent and his shooting seemed good as well. I haven't looked at his stats (didn't even look at his measurables until someone mentioned them in this thread). I'm surprised to hear the percentages are as bad as you say. I'm going to look into that in more detail.

Last year he shot 20% from 3 and 66% from the FT line. Not good.

 

[phippsj]

This is what Locke said. I don't agree. His basketball career is halfway over. He could retire anywhere in the world, and his NBA paycheck would be similar to his ACB check. Competitors seek competition, they aren't content with being the big fish in a small pond.

Perhaps there are different levels of "competitive" natures. Sounds like he's a guy who has used his physical attributes to earn millions and decided to balance his wife's desires with his career objectives. So he's settled for several million dollars and an amazing city.

Maybe not the choice you would have made, but he made it. Time to move on.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Perhaps there are different levels of "competitive" natures. Sounds like he's a guy who has used his physical attributes to earn millions and decided to balance his wife's desires with his career objectives. So he's settled for several million dollars and an amazing city.

Maybe not the choice you would have made, but he made it. Time to move on.

I was really never salty about it to begin with, so nothing really to move on from. Just making an observation about what his decision says about his thought process, and why we might be better off without him.

 

[karl malone]

Did anyone else catch the report on Hoops Rumors that Snyder turned down multiple trade offers involving Exum? Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it is interesting considering the fact that Neto is in town & Lyles remains unsigned. The report states that Snyder believes in his character & expects major improvements (or something along those lines), but it makes you at least wonder. More than likely it was just other teams inquiring about Dante rather than the FO actively pursuing a trade, but it's still interesting none the less. If Snyder was asked for his input, it could indicate that DL is/was considering making a trade to potentially elevate the team to that next level (by upgrading at the PG position). Would love to know the specific proposals, if there were in fact any actually offers made.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Did anyone else catch the report on Hoops Rumors that Snyder turned down multiple trade offers involving Exum? Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it is interesting considering the fact that Neto is in town & Lyles remains unsigned. The report states that Snyder believes in his character & expects major improvements (or something along those lines), but it makes you at least wonder. More than likely it was just other teams inquiring about Dante rather than the FO actively pursuing a trade, but it's still interesting none the less. If Snyder was asked for his input, it could indicate that DL is/was considering making a trade to potentially elevate the team to that next level (by upgrading at the PG position). Would love to know the specific proposals, if there were in fact any actually offers made.

I saw a report that multiple teams called DL asking about the availability of Exum. Synder basically said he doesn't want him going anywhere because that's his guy and he believes in him.

Something of that sort.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Did anyone else catch the report on Hoops Rumors that Snyder turned down multiple trade offers involving Exum? Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it is interesting considering the fact that Neto is in town & Lyles remains unsigned. The report states that Snyder believes in his character & expects major improvements (or something along those lines), but it makes you at least wonder. More than likely it was just other teams inquiring about Dante rather than the FO actively pursuing a trade, but it's still interesting none the less. If Snyder was asked for his input, it could indicate that DL is/was considering making a trade to potentially elevate the team to that next level (by upgrading at the PG position). Would love to know the specific proposals, if there were in fact any actually offers made.

I'm sure the bids were low. Probably GM's "bargain hunting" hoping we might have given up on him or didn't have the patience to develop him.

 

[karl malone]

Re: Exum trade offers

I agree that GM's were likely just looking to buy low, but the fact that Snyder was consulted makes me wonder if any of the proposals were legitimately considered. What I also found interesting was that it was Snyder, rather than DL, making the comments & although it could be meaningless, it could also indicate that there is some sort of differing in opinion between the 2 regarding either Exum &/or our approach to the off-season. Snyder's comments sounded like a coach publicly supporting one of his players, which typically occurs when that player is either struggling &/or being discussed in trades.

I'm not advocating that we trade him by any means, but as the roster currently stands, PG is clearly our weakest position (production wise) & with the fact that we could essentially lose Hayward for nothing in 2 years (just as Exum projects to be ready to contribute), I wouldn't be surprised if DL was exploring potential trades to bring in established players who could push the team to contender status for the duration of Hayward's remaining contract. I love Exum's physical tools, defense, court-vision, character, & potential, but out of our core assets, he appears to be the most likely to be traded (due to the fact that he is still several years away from reaching his potential), along with (1 or the other) Hayward (due to his contract situation). There's probably nothing to the rumor, but I still believe that there is a decision to be made regarding prioritizing the short-term/long-term, so it will be interesting to see if anything eventually comes from this.

 

[Jaymz]

Re: Exum trade offers

I agree that GM's were likely just looking to buy low, but the fact that Snyder was consulted makes me wonder if any of the proposals were legitimately considered. What I also found interesting was that it was Snyder, rather than DL, making the comments & although it could be meaningless, it could also indicate that there is some sort of differing in opinion between the 2 regarding either Exum &/or our approach to the off-season. Snyder's comments sounded like a coach publicly supporting one of his players, which typically occurs when that player is either struggling &/or being discussed in trades. I'm not advocating that we trade him by any means, but as the roster currently stands, PG is clearly our weakest position (production wise) & with the fact that we could essentially lose Hayward for nothing in 2 years (just as Exum projects to be ready to contribute), I wouldn't be surprised if DL was exploring potential trades to bring in established players who could push the team to contender status before Hayward's contract expires. I love Exum's physical tools, defense, court-vision, character, & potential, but out of our core/trade assets, he appears to be the most likely to be traded (due to the fact that he is still several years away from reaching his potential), along with Hayward (due to his contract situation). There's probably nothing to the rumor, but I still believe that there is a decision to be made regarding short-term/long-term, so it will be interesting to see if anything comes from this.

Dear heavens, sounds like they want Exum in place of Burke on the trade for PG!!!!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Re: Exum trade offers

I agree that GM's were likely just looking to buy low, but the fact that Snyder was consulted makes me wonder if any of the proposals were legitimately considered. What I also found interesting was that it was Snyder, rather than DL, making the comments & although it could be meaningless, it could also indicate that there is some sort of differing in opinion between the 2 regarding either Exum &/or our approach to the off-season. Snyder's comments sounded like a coach publicly supporting one of his players, which typically occurs when that player is either struggling &/or being discussed in trades.

I'm not advocating that we trade him by any means, but as the roster currently stands, PG is clearly our weakest position (production wise) & with the fact that we could essentially lose Hayward for nothing in 2 years (just as Exum projects to be ready to contribute), I wouldn't be surprised if DL was exploring potential trades to bring in established players who could push the team to contender status for the duration of Hayward's remaining contract. I love Exum's physical tools, defense, court-vision, character, & potential, but out of our core assets, he appears to be the most likely to be traded (due to the fact that he is still several years away from reaching his potential), along with (1 or the other) Hayward (due to his contract situation). There's probably nothing to the rumor, but I still believe that there is a decision to be made regarding prioritizing the short-term/long-term, so it will be interesting to see if anything eventually comes from this.

This is the sort of rampant speculation that makes me wish they would just cancel the off season.

 

[karl malone]

Donuts, if my speculation comes off as rampant to you, then I think you're misinterpreting the intention of my post. I clearly stated that it is highly unlikely that there is any truth behind this, but what's the point of even following rumors if you don't intend to attempt to interpret the meaning behind them? During a slow off-season of a tight-lipped franchise, you have to make due with the little amount of information that actually makes it to the general public. I'm not suggesting that there is a major deal in the works, I'm just trying to gain some insight into the current mindset of our FO. If I had to guess, I would imagine that the roster essentially remains the same, with maybe a minor addition or 2 down the road. These rumors are likely no more than the FO doing it's due dilligance & exploring all potential options. I still think that the fact that 2 of our main assets (Hayward/Exum) are on varying timelines/paths of development warrants a discussion as far as what our best strategy is regarding the short-term/long-term, but maybe that speculation is too rampant. Just trying to get a relevant discussion going during a non-eventful point in time (at least for Jazz fans).

 

[Sexual Favors]

Exum, even with his many shortcomings last year, was a huge part of our defensive identity. His impact on that end was second to only Gobert starting and Favors at PF. The FO knows that too. Therefore, they are content with him taking his time to develop the other parts of his game, because unlike Trey Burke, he was instrumental to us racking up those late season wins.

Pretty special how his length and effort were able to offsset his glaring weaknesses. He is only going to get better as his NBA skills round out. He's not going anywhere.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I am one of those weirdos who is more excited about the possibility of signing Neto, than I am of a far-fetched blockbuster trade involving the two Treys. if the latter helps the former happen though, then hell yeah!

I don't think Neto's the next Stockton or anything, but I believe he's a big improvement over Burke.