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Mock Draft Exercise #1 - Pre-NCAA Tournament

I actually think this turned out pretty well. That mid lottery to mid 20's range is still so flat/fluid in my mind right now that I don't really have a problem with any of the picks.
 
KqWIN said:
Joan Beringer is just a puzzling prospect for me. If he was an extraordinary athlete or had amazing physical tools I could see it, but he really doesn't pop off the screen. Regardless, you're taking a guy incredibly far away with the hopes of him being a role player. Seems like a longshot for not a huge reward.
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He's very fluid for his size and seems to have really good hands for his size, in my opinion.

I think the big question is how big is he really. He looks big compared to the competition, but the competition doesn't look like NBA sized guys. Combine measurements rarely swing my opinion of a player, but he might be one where it does. If he comes back with a huge wingspan/standing reach then I think he's a worthy investment.

To be clear, I think he would be great as a second round draft and stash guy. I agree with Cy that having these types of players in the development program could be very valuable to our future team. I wouldn't draft him in the first round.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
He's very fluid for his size and seems to have really good hands for his size, in my opinion.

I think the big question is how big is he really. He looks big compared to the competition, but the competition doesn't look like NBA sized guys. Combine measurements rarely swing my opinion of a player, but he might be one where it does. If he comes back with a huge wingspan/standing reach then I think he's a worthy investment.

To be clear, I think he would be great as a second round draft and stash guy. I agree with Cy that having these types of players in the development program could be very valuable to our future team. I wouldn't draft him in the first round.
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I think his fluidity looks fine mostly, but sometimes he moves around like a goober and I can’t tell if it’s bc he doesn’t know what he’s doing or he just moves that way. Either way, it’s hard for me to look at him and say that guy is an A+ athlete. He’s athletic, but does not look like a freak.

His supposed measurements look fine, but not out of this world. But like you alluded to, measurements are just measurements. It doesn’t tell you how he plays basketball and there’s a lot more to being a defensive C than just athleticism. He’s young and is inexperienced, so it means he can learn faster, but it’s a big assumption to think he can become a smart enough defender and also to what extent are we talking about here…backup C? Youth does not automatically mean potential. To me it’s high bust potential, low reward.

Pretty much anyone is fine in the late first and especially as a stash…but the part the puzzles me is what I’m seeing vs what is being described. Also, I think DX had him like 10th which is actually insane to me.
 
KqWIN said:
Joan Beringer is just a puzzling prospect for me. If he was an extraordinary athlete or had amazing physical tools I could see it, but he really doesn't pop off the screen. Regardless, you're taking a guy incredibly far away with the hopes of him being a role player. Seems like a longshot for not a huge reward.
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He's an extraordinary athlete imo.

In the highlight video I posted he has a dunk where he does a two hand tomahawk (I believe that's what it would be called) and the he taps the ball to the back of his neck. The level of vertical pop he has with his length, and the potential to grow more due to his age is too much to pass up on. Plus he has good enough feet and lateral mobility to do some switching and hedging along with being a drop big.

Jazz have enough projects at other positions. I didn't see anyone available who I think has realistic + starter potential. Jazz need some Kessler insurance and if the plan is to keep tanking it would be nice to have another big to develop.
 
The way I see it is the Jazz's biggest issue is defense. Beringer is the best defensive prospect in the draft outside of Flagg. Yes, since we have Walker it's going to be a minutes cap on his ability to contribute, but making sure we can play defensively without Walker on the court will be huge moving forward into the competitive years.

If Beringer needs two years to develop physically I don't see that as an issue.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He's an extraordinary athlete imo.

In the highlight video I posted he has a dunk where he does a two hand tomahawk (I believe that's what it would be called) and the he taps the ball to the back of his neck. The level of vertical pop he has with his length, and the potential to grow more due to his age is too much to pass up on. Plus he has good enough feet and lateral mobility to do some switching and hedging along with being a drop big.

Jazz have enough projects at other positions. I didn't see anyone available who I think has realistic + starter potential. Jazz need some Kessler insurance and if the plan is to keep tanking it would be nice to have another big to develop.
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I mean, I don’t think he’s any more special of an athlete than a guy like Jericho Sims. Like I said, I think he’s athletic but I don’t think he’s a physical freak in any way. And I’ll say it again, there’s so much more to defense than being athletic as a C. You look at the best defensive C’s in the league, it’s not a vertical pop contest at all.

He has more potential to improve given his situation, but he’s also significantly further away imo. It’s his high potential for growth that makes him an NBA prospect at all, but given he’s so far away I wouldn’t say that equates to actually being a high potential player.

The idea of him being a late first isn’t horrible IMO, but I like a lot of other guys on the board. You also know what I think about drafting for need, so no need to rehash that. The general idea of addressing defense through backup C is pretty questionable though.
 
KqWIN said:
I mean, I don’t think he’s any more special of an athlete than a guy like Jericho Sims. Like I said, I think he’s athletic but I don’t think he’s a physical freak in any way. And I’ll say it again, there’s so much more to defense than being athletic as a C. You look at the best defensive C’s in the league, it’s not a vertical pop contest at all.

He has more potential to improve given his situation, but he’s also significantly further away imo. It’s his high potential for growth that makes him an NBA prospect at all, but given he’s so far away I wouldn’t say that equates to actually being a high potential player.

The idea of him being a late first isn’t horrible IMO, but I like a lot of other guys on the board. You also know what I think about drafting for need, so no need to rehash that. The general idea of addressing defense through backup C is pretty questionable though.
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Well we also drafted Esgecombe. Addressing backup 5 is absolutely a good idea to improve the defense. The Jazz currently don't have a single backup 5 on the roster
 
And Sims is a freak athlete.

Sims also never had a block rate half as good as Beringers while he was in Texas. It's easier to accrue blocks in college than it is a pro European league. He's a much much better prospect than Sims
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Well we also drafted Esgecombe. Addressing backup 5 is absolutely a good idea to improve the defense. The Jazz currently don't have a single backup 5 on the roster
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If we drafted Beringer, we also wouldn't really have a backup 5 because he's not ready to do anything. I already don't like drafting for fit, so drafting for fit theoretically 2+ years down the line is even more silly to me. And if we were drafting to improve the defense, backup C is not what my focus would be on there. If Beringer was as good as Kessler at defense, we'd still suck at defense and his potential impact is capped by the virtue of being our best defender's backup.

Saint Cy of JFC said:
And Sims is a freak athlete.

Sims also never had a block rate half as good as Beringers while he was in Texas. It's easier to accrue blocks in college than it is a pro European league. He's a much much better prospect than Sims
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This is precisely my point, athleticism =/= defense. So even if you do consider Beringer a freak athlete, that doesn't mean he is suddenly a good defender. So much more to defense than simply being athletic. Sure, Beringer can learn quicker than his peers, but he also has much more to learn.
 
KqWIN said:
If we drafted Beringer, we also wouldn't really have a backup 5 because he's not ready to do anything. I already don't like drafting for fit, so drafting for fit theoretically 2+ years down the line is even more silly to me. And if we were drafting to improve the defense, backup C is not what my focus would be on there. If Beringer was as good as Kessler at defense, we'd still suck at defense and his potential impact is capped by the virtue of being our best defender's backup.



This is precisely my point, athleticism =/= defense. So even if you do consider Beringer a freak athlete, that doesn't mean he is suddenly a good defender. So much more to defense than simply being athletic. Sure, Beringer can learn quicker than his peers, but he also has much more to learn.
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He's currently a good defender. That's why he gets starts as an extremely young 18 year old on a pro team that plays in the Eurocup.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He's currently a good defender. That's why he gets starts as an extremely young 18 year old on a pro team that plays in the Eurocup.
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It's all relative, good for Eurocup maybe. For me he's at the intersection of both high risk and lower potential.

If you're hell bent on drafting a C, I guess it's fine here. I certainly like other C's on the board more, but whatever. I just don't agree with picking for fit in the first place, that defensive C is the most important fit, or even that he's the best defensive C here. I wouldn't be too bent out of shape, but I would have definitely gone with Demin or someone else instead.
 
He played football, so that automatically means he'll be good bc he played another sport. Wait, does that count for the non-American football?
 
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