Well, who do you think is the dirtier player , Jaff Hornacek, or Jerry Stackhouse?
Most hated (NOT on Jazz Team) Players in NBA... and....why?
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Well, who do you think is the dirtier player , Jaff Hornacek, or Jerry Stackhouse?
Your point is that because the Jazz didn't have the scummiest players of all time on their team, that they weren't dirty. That is a load of horse-****. You think all of those incidences with Malone knocking people out or their teeth throughout his career were purely an accident? The bear-hug pick he set on Drexler? How Stockton ran around screens (driving his knee into the nerve of the screen-setter's leg if they split their legs)?
Your homerism is clouding your judgement. And I don't have a huge problem with physical/dirty play, but the golden-era teams were one of the best of all-time in pushing the referees to the limit and cheap little things to maximize their chances of winning. The nationwide perception of those teams wasn't just dreamed up and accepted one day.
The team that has the reputation of being the dirtiest team should be team with the dirtiest players. What is so hard about that for you to understand?
I didn't say they were perfect. I never saw the things you refer to. I haven't watched every frigging game ever played. I have watched most of the nationally televised jazz playoff games from about 1992 through 2002 very closely, and I have no doubt that in those games the characterization of the Jazz as playing dirtier than other teams or getting more calls in their favor than their opponents was false. In fact the opposite is true, the Jazz got less calls and got away with less dirty play, and less flopping, because of their reputation as the dirtiest team.
it frustrates me that so many Jazz fanz go along with the characterization of the Jazz as a dirty team. Most people just go along the popular consensus most of the time, even when it is wrong or even immoral. They believe whatever the media tells them. That is one reason why our elected politicians are so incompetent and our country is going downhill. Perhaps it is not coincidence that Utah's Senators are among the worst of the worst.
As far as homerism, I am not a Jazz fan. I supported the team in the 90s because I saw that they were getting screwed unfairly.
I have equally supported other teams. Most of my favorite players over the decades have played for other teams. Most years I am rooting for a team other than the Jazz just as much as I am for the Jazz, or more.
so numberica, you are being vague. do you think that all golden era teams were dirty, or just the jazz?
do you think the Jazz got away with more or less than the Bulls?
I didn't say they were perfect. I never saw the things you refer to. I haven't watched every frigging game ever played. I have watched most of the nationally televised jazz playoff games from about 1992 through 2002 very closely, and I have no doubt that in those games the characterization of the Jazz as playing dirtier than other teams or getting more calls in their favor than their opponents was false. In fact the opposite is true, the Jazz got less calls and got away with less dirty play, and less flopping, because of their reputation as the dirtiest team.
it frustrates me that so many Jazz fanz go along with the characterization of the Jazz as a dirty team. Most people just go along the popular consensus most of the time, even when it is wrong or even immoral. They believe whatever the media tells them. That is one reason why our elected politicians are so incompetent and our country is going downhill. Perhaps it is not coincidence that Utah's Senators are among the worst of the worst.
As far as homerism, I am not a Jazz fan. I supported the team in the 90s because I saw that they were getting screwed unfairly.
I have equally supported other teams. Most of my favorite players over the decades have played for other teams. Most years I am rooting for a team other than the Jazz just as much as I am for the Jazz, or more.
so numberica, you are being vague. do you think that all golden era teams were dirty, or just the jazz?
do you think the Jazz got away with more or less than the Bulls?
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I don't really mind Kobe that much. The guy has the talent to back up his arrogance.
I don't like Carmelo, I just don't think he's nearly as good as he thinks he is. He isn't Lebron and he isn't Wade.
I don't like Bosh for similar reasons. The guy had like 3 decent years on a crappy Toronto team that limped into the playoffs every year. Even if the Raps had Boozer they would have gone to a conference finals once.
While Duncan can back up his stats with legitimate talent. He does the most "I didn't do it" of any player in the NBA. Parker kind of gets lumped in with Ginobli and Duncan in the "I didn't do it" face, but really Duncan is the worst.
I don't like Carmelo, I just don't think he's nearly as good as he thinks he is. He isn't Lebron and he isn't Wade.
I don't like Bosh for similar reasons. The guy had like 3 decent years on a crappy Toronto team that limped into the playoffs every year. Even if the Raps had Boozer they would have gone to a conference finals once.
While Duncan can back up his stats with legitimate talent. He does the most "I didn't do it" of any player in the NBA. Parker kind of gets lumped in with Ginobli and Duncan in the "I didn't do it" face, but really Duncan is the worst.
I'm not saying they're the dirtiest ever, but they're dirtier than most. For I would guess >90% of the population, that is not in doubt. If I'm reading it right, you think the Jazz were just as dirty or less dirty than the average team, and I don't think that's accurate. It doesn't matter much, and neither of us can sit the other down and try to substantiate our points in film. Or at least I don't want to bother.
Kenyon Martin
Chris 'Birdman' Andersen
Worst personalities. Worst tatoos to prove it.
Chris 'Birdman' Andersen
Worst personalities. Worst tatoos to prove it.
numberica , I can substantiate my points in film.
I understand that you can't. That's okay. That is why you are wrong.
your passion for demonizing the Jazz explains to me why they were subject to so much dirty play and unfair treatment by the refs over the years.
I understand that you can't. That's okay. That is why you are wrong.
your passion for demonizing the Jazz explains to me why they were subject to so much dirty play and unfair treatment by the refs over the years.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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DeShawn is giving them a run for their money, but these are good choices. Boozer is my least favorite player in the league, though. He's such a self-centered prima-donna, disingenuous, overly manscaped, overpaid, supercalifragileistic,wall abusing wimp that it annoys me think he's out there somewhere using up oxygen that might have gone to a needy child in Somalia instead. Jerk!!! Aaaarrrggghhhhh!!!! And yes, he once peed in my Cheerios and I don't plan to get over it anytime soon. Man am I ever happy that Sloanfeld went away.
Lakers_Slapper
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No I havent heard of this Karl Malone fella. Who is he??? Give me a damn break. I understand he cheap shotted players, but he was also a bad *** who played on the Jazz. He has gave out more stitches to other players than any other player in NBA history. But he also held his own, and he was on my favorite team...... Utah Jazz. Karl Malone elbowed fools to let them know he wasnt a guy they could rough up. When dirk closed lined AK... that was disgusting. I dont recall Karl Close lining people when they went in for a dunk or a layup, I remember him blocking it! And yes Stockton flopped, like all players do. But he at least did it during contact. Ginobili flops when his opponent is 10 feet away from him. And second of all stockton (on offense) when he went inside, took it hard to the rim, he went in for a finish. Ginobili takes two steps in and falls down hoping for a whistle. Were you even old enough to remember games of Malone and Stockton?? For a Jazz fan, you sure throw them under the bus.
Lakers_Slapper
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I couldnt tell which one was the ostrich and which one was Chris Bosh.
You can't prove a negative and I'm not going to waste my time with your OCD non-sense.
Dang, how could I have missed this one? Easily in an elite class of douchebags.
Now that's just discriminatory.