My faith in Exum has been broken

[Ron Mexico]

If his defense was as good or better than his rookie year I would not be down on him. When Dante is on the court we are much worse... we can sink more PT into his development but it costs us. I don't know that sending him to the D League will help him.

We are not worse with him on the court.




LINEUPS TEAM GP MIN OFFRTG DEFRTG NETRTG AST% AST/TO AST RATIO OREB% DREB% REB% TO RATIO EFG% TS% PACE PIE
B.Diaw, D.Exum, R.Gobert, G.Hayward, R.Hood UTA 8 85 114.9 81.4 33.6 60.3 2.16 19.9 14.0 74.7 50.7 0.1 58.7 61.8 88.85 74.8
B.Diaw, R.Gobert, G.Hayward, G.Hill, R.Hood UTA 4 57 119.4 94.6 24.8 52.1 2.27 16.4 28.3 83.9 58.8 0.1 52.0 58.7 94.88 67.8

There is the comparison of the same lineup with Exum and with Hill. That lineup this season has been better when Exum is with it than Hill and Hill has been playing crazy good. Those also happen to be our two most played 5 man lineup.

If its too hard to read the biggest take away is that the Net rating for the Jazz is 33.6 with Exum vs 24.8 with Hill.

I dont think it is that Exum is better but he he is a better defender and he does a good job of getting the ball into play makers hands quickly on offense.

Exum has a positive net rating on the court.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Rk,Player▲,Season,Age,G,GS,MP,FG,FGA,FG%,3P,3PA,3P%,2P,2PA,2P%,FT,FTA,FT%,ORB,DRB,TRB,AST,STL,BLK,TOV,PF,PTS,,ORtg,DRtg
1,Dante Exum\exumda01,2016-17,21,28,16,582,6.1,14.9,.409,1.9,6.3,.300,4.2,8.5,.489,2.3,2.7,.833,1.4,4.1,5.4,4.3,0.5,0.7,2.8,6.3,16.3,,100,109
2,Shelvin Mack\macksh01,2016-17,26,30,4,690,7.5,16.7,.447,1.8,5.5,.333,5.7,11.2,.503,2.1,3.2,.667,0.8,4.4,5.2,7.3,2.1,0.0,4.5,4.2,19.0,,97,106
3,Deron Williams\willide01,2005-06,21,80,47,2307,8.0,19.1,.421,2.2,5.2,.416,5.9,13.9,.423,2.2,3.2,.704,0.8,3.8,4.6,8.5,1.4,0.4,3.4,5.5,20.5,,103,110

I know these are hard to read but here is the comparison of DWill and Exum at the same age and also Mack this season.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...iams&player_id3=willide01&y3=2006#per_poss::1

Per 100 stats show that Exum finished better at all his shots except the three over DWill. The only thing really lacking for Exum in comparison to those two is assists and 3 point %. He reworked his shot and it takes time to get consistent with a new form. Exum also has a better TS% over DWill.

I believe Exum is currently better than Mack and not that far behind where Dwill was at that age. Which is pretty awesome considering Exum missed all of last year and is coming off a major injury. DWill was waaayyy better prepared for the NBA.

 

[Jazz4ever]

We are not worse with him on the court.




LINEUPS TEAM GP MIN OFFRTG DEFRTG NETRTG AST% AST/TO AST RATIO OREB% DREB% REB% TO RATIO EFG% TS% PACE PIE
B.Diaw, D.Exum, R.Gobert, G.Hayward, R.Hood UTA 8 85 114.9 81.4 33.6 60.3 2.16 19.9 14.0 74.7 50.7 0.1 58.7 61.8 88.85 74.8
B.Diaw, R.Gobert, G.Hayward, G.Hill, R.Hood UTA 4 57 119.4 94.6 24.8 52.1 2.27 16.4 28.3 83.9 58.8 0.1 52.0 58.7 94.88 67.8

There is the comparison of the same lineup with Exum and with Hill. That lineup this season has been better when Exum is with it than Hill and Hill has been playing crazy good. Those also happen to be our two most played 5 man lineup.

If its too hard to read the biggest take away is that the Net rating for the Jazz is 33.6 with Exum vs 24.8 with Hill.

I dont think it is that Exum is better but he he is a better defender and he does a good job of getting the ball into play makers hands quickly on offense.

Exum has a positive net rating on the court.

What about the other lineups he's in? It's pretty easy to score high on a lineup with Gobert, Hayward, and Hood in it.

 

[Ron Mexico]

What about the other lineups he's in? It's pretty easy to score high on a lineup with Gobert, Hayward, and Hood in it.

He does well in some and bad in others but he has a positive net rating this season in all lineups. It is easy to do well in that lineup and those are our two most played lineups. That lineup is better with Exum in it over Hill though. That is a pretty big deal. He makes our starters better than Hill does so far this season. Our defense is really good with him and our offense is still pretty good, it only slightly drops over when Hill is there.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, I don't mind a floater here. I mind THIS floater. This is an embarrassment of a floater if I've ever seen one. This is another thing I'm not sure with Dante - his touch... it doesn't look good on layups and floaters... looks awkward... a lot of things with him look awkward. I don't know.

Shooting on a guy like Hassan Whiteside is an entirely new experience for him. You cant blame him for not scaling the giant on the first try with his floater.

 

[Soundwave_Aus]

I became a Jazz fan when we drafted exum, and picked up Ingles a few seasons ago. Im still going to support, follow, and wear my Jazz cap and jersey, after both are gone, as I've found my team. Having said that I want Dante to get big mins in the D league, or for exum's sake trade him to a different system, and give him a fresh start. I think Snyder is doing his head in. I remember seeing clips of Snyder saying that he has to lose his fear of making mistakes, which he will inevitably learn from. This season, any error Exum makes sees him looking at the bench expecting to be pulled. He will be at his best when he plays intuitively, and is not over thinking each possesion. The win now mentality is not compatible with Exum's development in my opinion. I want the team to go deep into the playoffs and keep Hayward, atm playing Dante with significant mins is counter-productive to that.

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Andy Larsen ✔ @andyblarsen
Dante Exum said he's been experiencing left knee tendonitis since before he was drafted, FWIW.

 

[Miggs]

Andy Larsen ✔ @andyblarsen
Dante Exum said he's been experiencing left knee tendonitis since before he was drafted, FWIW.

rofl

 

[Hekate]

rofl

isn't it common?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

isn't it common?

Yes, everybody who has played basketball for an extended period of time has knee tendonitis to some degree.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jazz guard Dante Exum has been diagnosed with left patellar tendinitis and will be sidelined for at least a week, when he will be re-evaluated, the team announced. Exum, the fifth overall pick in the 2014 draft, missed last season after undergoing surgery to repair the ACL in his left knee.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Yes, everybody who has played basketball for an extended period of time has knee tendonitis to some degree.

At his age it's a little troubling... but it is quite common.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Neto will get a chance to shake off some rust and contribute like he did last year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

At his age it's a little troubling... but it is quite common.

Maybe, but he is recovering from knee surgery. It might just be precautionary. Who knows. I like that they actually gave a timetable though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Neto will get a chance to shake off some rust and contribute like he did last year.

He was *** last year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Individual lineup data is tough to measure hill against Exum. Since hill has only played a few games with Hayward. Exum is 80th out of 85th in RPM which measures his contributions with the others on the floor and the plus minus stuff... it's more complex than that but it's not a good sign at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe, but he is recovering from knee surgery. It might just be precautionary. Who knows. I like that they actually gave a timetable though.

Agree with all of this.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He was *** last year.

I've never seen a guy who opponents make more shots over than him. He's in good position most of the time but something about how he plays defense does not affect the shot at all. It's like he's not even there... he's not big obviously but it's not like he's JJ barea

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I've never seen a guy who opponents make more shots over than him. He's in good position most of the time but something about how he plays defense does not affect the shot at all. It's like he's not even there... he's not big obviously but it's not like he's JJ barea

He isn't quick laterally for his size. He is like a Trey Burke level athlete, but he tries harder on D. And he likes to reach, but doesnt have the length or speed to recover on most players.

 

[vossy_3]

I think watching Frank Ntilikina last couple of days broke my confidence in Exum. He's everything I wanted Exum to be + more. And the more I watched him the more I realized he has things that Exum never had and never will and those things are much more important in the league than marginal advantage in speed.

Exum was a great youth player and I was super high on him and I've been one of his biggest defenders on this board, but his handle and his shot were never good(and I expected he will improve but he has not progressed at all in those areas). He relied on quickness to beat people off the dribble and draw fouls and we've seen this just doesn't cut it in the league - you cannot live in the league on quickness when even when you beat your man, you don't have the touch to finish in the paint or the shot to pull up from midrange. I'd trade a bit of Exum's quickness for a lot more skill and shooting. With his shooting mechanic(his shot is a set shot), I don't EVER see him being able to shoot off the dribble consistently. Frank Ntilikina pulls up without a problem or hesitation, step backs... crossover into pullups... His handle is still shaky in traffic like Exum's, but I think I trust his skill and handle and shooting RIGHT NOW much more than I trust Exum's ... ever.

I think my faith in Exum has been broken... believe me, I'd love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong. A couple of years ago I got my first ever NBA jersey and was an Exum one, I really believed in him, but for various of reasons(the injury being the main one) it seems like he's not anywhere close to where we expected he'd be at this point. Of course, I'm open to be proven wrong, but at this point I'd say - I will believe it when I see it... Does that make me a bad fan?

Yes it makes you a bad fan.

Patience is required for some young guys, and you've turned on him after 20 games following an ACL injury.

Knee tendinitis is an absolute killer to deal with if your not getting any rest. He will be fine once his knee injury completely heals.