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Name a better wing rotation than Hayward Hood Burks

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MDAV28 said:
Definitely not saying Tucker instead of Burks. I'm not sure where you got that. If anything he would take Chris Johnson, some Ingles minutes. I agree with GVC on the fact that we could use a wing defender. It used to be Millsap but he was terrible this season.
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Yep.

3983 minutes for Booker, Lyles, Ingles, Withey, Johnson, Millsap, Pleiss and O'Brien. The cake bakers are innumerate.
 
GVC said:
Danny Green was in a terrible slump to open the season. He's a better defender than Alec, and his shooting has returned to form over the last month plus. My point is that there have been more than enough minutes so far this season that a quality player could have been added without sacrificing minutes to key players, including Rodney Hood. Keep quoting me and arguing with someone else though.
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I didnt quote you when i posted about danny green silly goose!
 
GVC said:
What does Burks do well?
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well lets see. He shoots better from everywhere than all those big name free agent wings from last year. Rebounds better than all of them. Passes better than all of them. Gets to the line more than all of them. Is cheaper than them i think. And is much younger than all of them. He also can play the point better than all of them and is better in transition.
and yes, he has more magic than all of them. and speed and athleticism.

Burks sucks at defense though.
 
MDAV28 said:
Definitely not saying Tucker instead of Burks. I'm not sure where you got that. If anything he would take Chris Johnson, some Ingles minutes. I agree with GVC on the fact that we could use a wing defender. It used to be Millsap but he was terrible this season.
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I didn't say that you want tucker instead of burks. I was just showing his numbers and comparing them with our third wing since gvc talked about getting a third wing and you suggested tucker.

for a 4th wing? sure i dont care about 4th wings all that much.
 
fishonjazz said:
well lets see. He shoots better from everywhere than all those big name free agent wings from last year. Rebounds better than all of them. Passes better than all of them. Gets to the line more than all of them. Is cheaper than them i think. And is much younger than all of them. He also can play the point better than all of them and is better in transition.
and yes, he has more magic than all of them. and speed and athleticism.

Burks sucks at defense though.
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1. He can't really run the point. He has very poor feel for team basketball in general.

2. For all his moves and speed/athleticism, he can't seem to score efficiently at all (to be fair, he's asked to create a lot in short shot clocks).

3. Yeah, his D is ****ty.

I'm not seeing it. With Hood's emergence, the improvements from Burke and Neto, and Exum's eventual return, the Jazz would gain more with a defender and/or spot-up shooter at the wing than they'd lose from Burks (which really isn't much to begin with).
 
I guess what im trying to say is that i think that the jazz have one of the best wing rotations in the league (if not the very best) and they are young, diverse, and on good contracts and seem to have good chemistry.

I think of this as a good thing.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Burks can slash to the basket at an elite level. Did you really just ask what he does well?
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And then not finish. He's shooting .387 from 3, and apparently is good at getting to the rim and drawing fouls, yet still has a **** .518 TS%. Doesn't add up.
 
fishonjazz said:
I didn't say that you want tucker instead of burks. I was just showing his numbers and comparing them with our third wing since gvc talked about getting a third wing and you suggested tucker.

for a 4th wing? sure i dont care about 4th wings all that much.
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GVC talked about adding a defensive wing and I suggested Tucker. Nothing about a 3rd wing. I'm about as high on Burks as you can get. 4th wing minutes definitely matter for a playoff team tho.
 
FISHONJAZZ GOING IN!!!


Now make a post on Tobias Harris! Another player ppl wanted ;)
 
GVC said:
What does Burks do well?
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Name a player the anti-cakebakers wanted that is having a better season than either Burks or Hood.

The very objective "Burks is a mirage" assessment ain't gonna cut it.
 
GVC said:
And then not finish. He's shooting .387 from 3, and apparently is good at getting to the rim and drawing fouls, yet still has a **** .518 TS%. Doesn't add up.
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He's 23.

He has a great skill set, he's young and improving and his contract is insanely good especially moving forward.

What is the point of taking the stance that you have taken? If not Burks than who?
 
fishonjazz said:
I didn't say that you want tucker instead of burks. I was just showing his numbers and comparing them with our third wing since gvc talked about getting a third wing and you suggested tucker.

for a 4th wing? sure i dont care about 4th wings all that much.
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Lmfao at the proposition that the anti cake-bakers were targeting low-budget 4th wings.
 
GVC said:
1. He can't really run the point. He has very poor feel for team basketball in general.

2. For all his moves and speed/athleticism, he can't seem to score efficiently at all (to be fair, he's asked to create a lot in short shot clocks).

3. Yeah, his D is ****ty.

I'm not seeing it. With Hood emergence, the improvements from Burke and Neto, and Exum's eventual return, the Jazz would gain more with a defender and/or spot-up shooter at the wing than they'd lose from Burks (which really isn't much to begin with).
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He cant run the point? Too bad nba coaches dont understand that.
The rest of your post has some good points and pleny of merit. We just simply disagree.
btw, run the numbers but i think burks is a better spot up shooter than all those big name free agent wings from last summer during this season iirc. As for defense? burks is 24 and may be able to get better. Plus i think that with favors and gobert holding it down our defense will be very good regardless of who else is our there. We do need offense though. especially off the bench. (Something burks can provide)

I hear it said that burks is inefficient scoring but i see his points per game vs his shots per game and they seem to be better than all those big name free agent wings from last summer too. (shoots better pecentages from everywhere and gets to the line more)
 
Someone find me one single post in 2015 where people were clamouring after PJ Tucker.
 
dalamon said:
Name a player the anti-cakebakers wanted that is having a better season than either Burks or Hood.

The very objective "Burks is a mirage" assessment ain't gonna cut it.
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My point hasn't been that the Jazz needed to move Burks; just that they could have added talent without sacrificing minutes -- which is effectively the anti-cake-baker argument.

For the third time, Booker, Lyles, Ingles, Withey, Johnson, Millsap, Pleiss and O'Brien have played a combined 3983 minutes this season. Plenty of minutes for more talent.
 
GVC also forgetting the bomb-*** contract Burks is on relative to his contract--important when considering the $$ we'll need to pay for Hood and Hayward.


Who is this big defensive wing with a three point shot that we'll be able to get for an affordable price tag? Are we going to drop 3 maxes on wings when we have Gobert, Favors, and a PG to worry about?
 
GVC said:
My point hasn't been that the Jazz needed to move Burks; just that they could have added talent without sacrificing minutes -- which is effectively the anti-cake-baker argument.

For the third time, Booker, Lyles, Ingles, Withey, Johnson, Millsap, Pleiss and O'Brien have played a combined 3983 minutes this season. Plenty of minutes for more talent.
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A disingenuous argument when not having the intellectual honesty to remember that the Jazz have had the greatest injury problems in the NBA this season, and have been more injured than the past 10 seasons worth of Jazz teams.
 
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