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Name the teams that the Utah Jazz are currently better than

jazzfan1971 said:
Well, where did we improve?

PG Burke, JL3
to
PG Burke, Exum

One has to call that improvement. Burke should naturally be a bit better and Exum has to be better than JL3

SG Hayward, Burks
to
SG Hayward, Burks

Hayward isn't going to improve much at this point, and Burks probably won't either. Pretty much a wash from last year assuming these two are your starter and backup.

SF - Richard Jefferson, Jeremy Evans
to
SF - Rodney Hood, Jeremy Evans

This looks to be a step backwards. (of course you might start Burks at the 2 and start Hayward at the 3, not sure how that'll play out)

PF - Marvin Williams, Enes Kanter
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PF - Enes Kanter, Trevor Booker

Another one that looks like a step back, assuming Corbin played Marvin over Enes for good reason.

C - Favors, Gobert
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C - Favors, Gobert

Should be slightly better with Gobert improving.


So...
Slightly better
Wash
Slightly worse
Slightly worse
Slightly better

Looks like we're going to have a very similarly strengthed team as last season to me. I don't see how we finish anywhere but last in the West again. Well, unless Kobe is unhealthy or Exum is lightning in a bottle, but summer league didn't indicate that is the case. So, you'd have to see if any of the other teams got better or worse near us. I don't have time to do that right now, but, I suspect that Orlando, Boston, and the Bucks will all be a little stronger. Philly will probably still suck.

It's going to be a tough year. But, at least we don't have Corbin or any vets on the team to lean on. So, it should be entertaining.
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Burke + Exum is a sizable upgrade over Burke+Lucas+Tinsley who earned us our record last year. Just a healthy Burke all year is a pretty decent upgrade. Having a point who can run an offense in the backup role legitimizes our bench. Just Exum as he is now can run an offense off the bench. You undervalue the improvement here.
Burks appears to be the 2 guard as of now. He should be improved, but unless Exum blossoms a bit, the bench looks weak here. Moving Hayward weakens this position, but an increase of time for Burks will help even that out.
SF- Hayward beats the snot out of Jefferson all day long at this position. I like the maturity of Hood off the bench. SF is greatly upgraded.
PF- Kanter + Booker is better than out of position Marvin + Kanter, but it remains to be seen how much. If we need a stretch 4, we have one of the NBA's best shooters off the bench.
C- Favors + a better Gobert is a definite upgrade.
To be saying that the Jazz really haven't improved is just poormouthing the team.
 
so what's the serious answer here? I am genuinely curious but for whatever reason this particular thread is difficult for me to read/follow.
 
framer said:
Burke + Exum is a sizable upgrade over Burke+Lucas+Tinsley who earned us our record last year. Just a healthy Burke all year is a pretty decent upgrade. Having a point who can run an offense in the backup role legitimizes our bench. Just Exum as he is now can run an offense off the bench. You undervalue the improvement here.
Burks appears to be the 2 guard as of now. He should be improved, but unless Exum blossoms a bit, the bench looks weak here. Moving Hayward weakens this position, but an increase of time for Burks will help even that out.
SF- Hayward beats the snot out of Jefferson all day long at this position. I like the maturity of Hood off the bench. SF is greatly upgraded.
PF- Kanter + Booker is better than out of position Marvin + Kanter, but it remains to be seen how much. If we need a stretch 4, we have one of the NBA's best shooters off the bench.
C- Favors + a better Gobert is a definite upgrade.
To be saying that the Jazz really haven't improved is just poormouthing the team.
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Good post.
also for your stretch 4 comment. Kanter will be a part time stretch 4 and i think kanter will be much improved overall.
Snyder already said that kanter gonna let er fly from deep this year
 
Addition by subtraction:
Biedrens
RJ
JLIII (banking on him being gone)

Doesn't move the needle:
Rush
Garrett
Clark

Might hurt a little that they are gone:
Marvin

Additions that give us something:
Exum
Hood
Snyder
Novak
Booker

Players that will definitely be better this year:
Gobert
Burke (not sure on shooting)

Players I suspect will be better this year:
Burks
Evans

Players I hope will be better, but not sure:
Haywad
Favers
Can'ter


From what I saw in the SL, if we run the same system and the players run it fairly well it will be the biggest positive factor in the Jazz improvement. If they can't hit an open 3 though I could see jazzfanz reverting back to Corbin hatred levels.

I say that the new system/coaching gets us 10 more wins, and better players that are used better get us another 5.
40 wins, just under .500 ball.
 
PKM said:
so what's the serious answer here? I am genuinely curious but for whatever reason this particular thread is difficult for me to read/follow.
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I think most people will give us Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, and Boston. Up for argument are the Lakers, Sacramento, and the Timberwolves.
 
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