When it's a one way beating and your responses are pouty... "staged"
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When it's a one way beating and your responses are pouty... "staged"
Miggs
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LOL.
Jonah
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Trump’s polling numbers have become so dire recently that his supporters are having to come up with ever more convoluted rationales as to why the campaign should still be considered competitive.
His new campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, a professional pollster herself, said today that there is a huge hidden Trump vote out there somewhere in the hinterlands ready to support him, but simply too ashamed to tell pollsters because it’s become socially unacceptable to voice support for Trump. She calls such wallflowers “undercover Trump voters” and claims the campaign has internal tracking to support their elusive existence. The great thing about this explanation is that it won’t be able to be disproven until election day, so hope springs eternal, or at least for 75 more days.
Meanwhile, polling data aggregators like Nate Silver of 538 and Sam Wang of the Princeton Consortium have Clinton at 85 and 95 percent win probabilities respectively. Those are current probabilities so still a lot of time for Clinton to stumble, but it would take an historic collapse for her to lose.
His new campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, a professional pollster herself, said today that there is a huge hidden Trump vote out there somewhere in the hinterlands ready to support him, but simply too ashamed to tell pollsters because it’s become socially unacceptable to voice support for Trump. She calls such wallflowers “undercover Trump voters” and claims the campaign has internal tracking to support their elusive existence. The great thing about this explanation is that it won’t be able to be disproven until election day, so hope springs eternal, or at least for 75 more days.
Meanwhile, polling data aggregators like Nate Silver of 538 and Sam Wang of the Princeton Consortium have Clinton at 85 and 95 percent win probabilities respectively. Those are current probabilities so still a lot of time for Clinton to stumble, but it would take an historic collapse for her to lose.
Joe Bagadonuts
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My fingers are tightly crossed that she stumbles and loses to someone other than Trump. She may have made the critical stumbles long before the campaign began judging by the never ending stream of negative info that keeps coming out. It probably won't matter in the end because it seems like voters are so accustomed to hearing about Clinton corruption that they don't even care anymore. I guess they can't be blamed for voting to keep Trump out of the White House (which I think is a stronger motivation for many people than wanting to vote for Clinton).
Read a recent report that the Lib ticket is seeing spiking support among millenials and Latinos.
Here's an awesome article about the alt-right movement. I considered posting it in its own thread, but decided against it given the anticipated (limited) interest.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained
Red
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Whoa. Hell of an education. Thanks.
Jonah
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Looks like Gary Johnson is your only hope. And there’s only about three weeks left for him to hit the 15 percent threshold to be invited to the first debate. He can’t win if he isn’t allowed to debate. I think he’s still at 9 percent, so a lot of ground to make up and not much time.
Jonah
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It is an interesting article and deserves its own thread because it will be lost like Alice here in Never Trump Land.
There are a lot of factions of far right extremists to contend with: alt-right, ethno-nationalists, white supremacists, white nationalists, Birchers, and nativists; all burning in a boiling cauldron of fear, resentment and hate. Whether they can coalesce into a lasting political movement if/when Trump loses in November will be fascinating to watch. The social, cultural and political power of nonwhite people will to continue to grow over the next few decades. How the extreme right responds to this demographic fact will be a massive story.
D
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alt-right seems a rather ironically PC term for that group of voters IMO. White supremacists seems more apt
Read the article Dalamon! It sheds light on this issue.
D
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it's 12am u *******!!!
I have it opened in another window and I intend to read it tomorrow <3
D
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(I also still have that 12 page healthcare link u posted in another tab-- it's been a busy summer. I haven't even been posting around here as much, barring the occasional spurt)
Red
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This. In a nutshell.
Clinton brought the alt right front and center yesterday in her Reno speech. Since she's far from a gifted speaker, probably easier to read the transcript of her comments:
https://www.vox.com/2016/8/25/12647810/hillary-clinton-speech-alt-right
And here is the new Clinton attack ad, linking Trump to the extreme right:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-ad-kkk-trump-227404
And an alt right response to Clinton's speech:
https://www.amren.com/news/2016/08/hillary-clinton-and-the-alt-right/
Red
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And here is a proposed alt right statement of principles:
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html#comment-form
"But the impact Clinton’s speech has had—eliciting so many gleeful responses from the very people she was denouncing—also reflects just how difficult it is to stop the alt-right movement from metastasizing."
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html#comment-form
"But the impact Clinton’s speech has had—eliciting so many gleeful responses from the very people she was denouncing—also reflects just how difficult it is to stop the alt-right movement from metastasizing."
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Red
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The alt right thanks Clinton....
https://www.wired.com/2016/08/alt-rights-dark-army-racist-trolls-just-great-day/
https://www.wired.com/2016/08/alt-rights-dark-army-racist-trolls-just-great-day/
I wouldn't waste the time. It's essentially attempting to break various characteristics of conservatives up into separate radical factions complete with new titles, and then sew them all back together as some conglomerate movement working to return us to the imperial world. Throw in White Supremacists and a few Hitler quotes and you have a completed article.
Another way to put it is some intellect coming off the tracks trying way too hard to come up with her own special new term.
I did like some of the earlier alt-right stuff, however.
That's not a fair assessment of the article. It's about the hostility of the alt-right toward mainstream conservatives, and their attempts to shift the movement toward culture-issues instead of policy-issues. i.e. white nationalism.
Jonah
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It’s easy to not take the alt-right seriously because their views are so outlandish. But that’s Trump. He wallows in the outlandish.
Trump has pandered to the alt-right movement from the very beginnings of his presidential run and recently formalized the connection when he hired Steve Bannon to run his campaign. Until taking a leave of absence to work with Trump, Bannon was chief executive of Breitbart News, a popular news and opinion website that he personally transformed from conservative anti-establishment into alt-right, white nationalist advocacy over the past several years.
Clinton’s speech yesterday was an attempt to isolate Trump from the Republican Party by linking him to far-right, white supremacists and she lumped the alt-right into the same generic pot. But the alt-right has their own distinct brand of crazy.
Summary of alt-nuts in a nutshell: they trend younger than other white supremacy factions, which helps explain their major distinguishing feature: they have given up on democracy. They acknowledge demographic trends and see their future as forever diminished if free elections are allowed to continue. So they dream of dictatorship by CEO, a technocratic authoritarian, and Trump is their flawed savior (they recognize his ordinary intellect), but if Trump were able to win in November, they actually hope he will institute martial law, and thereby end democracy before the more melanin-enabled reach a tipping point of power in deciding national elections.
Trump has pandered to the alt-right movement from the very beginnings of his presidential run and recently formalized the connection when he hired Steve Bannon to run his campaign. Until taking a leave of absence to work with Trump, Bannon was chief executive of Breitbart News, a popular news and opinion website that he personally transformed from conservative anti-establishment into alt-right, white nationalist advocacy over the past several years.
Clinton’s speech yesterday was an attempt to isolate Trump from the Republican Party by linking him to far-right, white supremacists and she lumped the alt-right into the same generic pot. But the alt-right has their own distinct brand of crazy.
Summary of alt-nuts in a nutshell: they trend younger than other white supremacy factions, which helps explain their major distinguishing feature: they have given up on democracy. They acknowledge demographic trends and see their future as forever diminished if free elections are allowed to continue. So they dream of dictatorship by CEO, a technocratic authoritarian, and Trump is their flawed savior (they recognize his ordinary intellect), but if Trump were able to win in November, they actually hope he will institute martial law, and thereby end democracy before the more melanin-enabled reach a tipping point of power in deciding national elections.
