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Newsok's Berry Tramel: "Kanter had no defensive mentor with Jazz"

Just post the Kanter related material to the general sports sections. Members on Jazzfanz seem to not get upset about it if it is posted there. They usually neg rep when it is posted on the Utah Jazz section (unless it is negative stuff about him). I have gotten a fair share of neg reps defending Kanter too but not any yet when in general sports thread.
 
framer said:
Richard Jefferson did a better job coaching the Jazz during that season than Tyrone Corbin did. That is why Corbin had to play him. In the games you could see him walking through the rotations with the younger players during a dead ball. Jefferson had his flaws, mostly due to age, but he had enough basketball experience and winning experience to teach every one of the young players on that team something about basketball, and although he knew he was a one year rental, he tried to do it. You can tell that Kanter was a **** to him about it too because he called Kanter out at locker room cleanout. Additionally the only tool that could be used to try to get Kanter to effort on defense was giving his playing time to other players. It didn't work. We whined about him being pulled because we thought his "advanced footwork" meant something too. People can improve if they want to improve. Kanter really doesn't give a rip. Looking forward to his lingering injury that keeps him from having to do training camp THIS year too.
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Yeah its so obvious he doesn't care.

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You can be a hater but you cant explain how Enes has improved every single point in OKC that Utah fans criticized him for. Thats what you can accomplish when you are supported by ownership instead of blatantly abused.

Richard threw him under the bus because he was jealous that Enes got all the lime light and fan fare. That silly slip up cost him millions. Other teams noticed his bad attitude and he went from making like 9 million to 1 million. So much for your good teammate theory.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
Just post the Kanter related material to the general sports sections. Members on Jazzfanz seem to not get upset about it if it is posted there. They usually neg rep when it is posted on the Utah Jazz section (unless it is negative stuff about him). I have gotten a fair share of neg reps defending Kanter too but not any yet when in general sports thread.
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This. I've all but decided to neg the OP In any thread about Kanter posted in the Jazz section. Hate it all you want but it no longer belongs in this forum.
 
gregbroncs said:
This. I've all but decided to neg the OP In any thread about Kanter posted in the Jazz section. Hate it all you want but it no longer belongs in this forum.
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Youre not the forum dictator freakazoid. We want to talk about Kanter still. He was drafted 3rd and played 4 seasons for gods sake. If you dont like it take your god damn ball and go cry somewhere else about it ya big baby.
 
I think you guys are missing the point. Clearly Kanter was Gobert's mentor and the sole reason why Gobert is so great on defense.

If that article allows you to post comments someone should go bring that up.

As for the OP, I don't feel like addressing all of the fallacies in what you assume to be facts but I will state one thing that has been mentioned in the countless threads and by media. He had more assists in his first week or two in OKC then the last couple months on the Jazz and this showed he has the ability but he had a poor attitude while on the Jazz, for whatever reason you want to blame it on.

Other Jazz players like Favors, Hayward, Gobert, Burks all lived through those same times, coaches, experiences etc... but they moved past it. Kanter did not, again for whatever reason. I do think a large part of it was his agent, if his agent had been a better mentor to him IMO things would have worked out much better for Kanter, even if still on another team.
 
Watcher said:
Hey, that's exactly how he plays defense in a game. Stands there like he can't move his feet due to holding a heavy weight.
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Thats how Millers forced him to play. He didn't defend like that in practice scrimmages at KU. Coach Cal got plenty movement just like Scotty Brooks is right now.
 
I would hold off on touting Scoot Brooks too much as OKC is rumored to be firing him (which I do think would be stupid) for UConn's HC Kevin Ollie.

Also yes it's all the Millers fault for his bad defense, stupid owners, ruining Favors & Gobert's defense as well. Robbing the old blind Cav's owner for Boozer who was an awesome defender before the Miller's got their hooks into him. Nothing like OKC's owner who never said he would try to keep the team in Seattle and then as soon as possible moving them to his home state of OK, Seattle fans are also just a bunch of lying whining babies.
 
Dumb Bloke said:
Youre not the forum dictator freakazoid. We want to talk about Kanter still. He was drafted 3rd and played 4 seasons for gods sake. If you dont like it take your god damn ball and go cry somewhere else about it ya big baby.
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The dumb troll alt is trying to call out useful posters as being alts. Brilliant.
 
Dumb Bloke said:
I must spread the rep first.

They are scared Kanter will blow up in OKC. Everyone knows they are a world class organization with the best GM in terms of eye for talent. Look who he drafts and where. He finds a gem every draft. Trust me he saw the diamond in Kanter's rough. He knows Scotty Brooks is a top 5 head coach and maybe the best developmental coach (look at what he did to Ibaka). Kanters flaws can easily be fixed like they mentioned his footwork. He can easily master pick and roll footwork.
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Yep, that taking Durant once Oden was off the board was brilliant! As was the Harden trade.
 
Cy said:
I don't think it's blaming it all on this one thing. It's just stating "Hey, Kanter has lacked this one aspect, maybe that is a signal that there is room for improvement". People here are acting like it's a crazy thing to say or a bad observation to make, it's not.
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Sure, there's room for improvement. Typically guys improve by working hard and being taught well. The former is by far the most important. Now I was no fan of the former coaching staff, but I'm guessing that at least taught the basic building blocks right, since other players on the team seem to know them.
 
Stoked said:
If that team chooses Kanter over any of those three then they are morons. Also Kanter will always limit his teams D. WIll those three be enough to over come that? Will be interesting to see?
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Alongside my thoughts that are on the same direction with yours on Kanter's D and the hurts it gives to his team, I also have a theory that he will start defending more once he signs a contract. His mindset appears to be to avoid fouls, guarantee playing time and stuff boxscore. If that is the case, I would at least not be surprised to see a more physical type of defense from him similar to his rookie year Bynum defense. There is no sudden cure for BBIQ though.
 
He has always been at least an ok post defender - he's pretty strong. His biggest issues are lackadaisical play and footwork. Maybe he'll improve, maybe he won't, I'm glad we won't find out on our dime.
 
Cy said:
He definitely is. Also, we don't know exactly who coached/mentored him in France, it's not like he came to the NBA with as little experience as Kanter did.

I definitely think there is something to the mentor theory with Kanter. I just think it's probably too late to undo the damage.
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Erman Khunter. Without the "h". Because it auto-filters.
 
Cy said:
A max contract to Kanter won't hurt too bad since the cap is rising. It wouldn't be a smart move IMO, but it wouldn't be a franchise destroyer like a Joe Johnson veteran max contract.
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If they max him they will be at 91M/year salaries. The year after, the salary cap will be ~90M and they would need to pay Durant. The 35% max for him would be ~31.5M, or 10 more million than they are paying him right now. At that time they can get rid off Waiters, Lamb and Perry Jones(around 10M), unless they decide to extend some of them(I really hope they give 8 figures to Waiters). They also would need to extend Morrow(I think he will command 8 figures for sure) and DJ Augustin. In general I expect them to be at about 100-110M salaries at that point(depending on what they do with the players on rookie contracts... The real fun though begins the year after... Westbrook and Ibaka up for extensions. Westbrook will be eligible for ~35M contract(20M more than he's getting now), same as Ibaka... To me it looks very possible that every single year they will be deep into the tax if they want to keep their current core.
 
Dumb Bloke said:
I must spread the rep first.

They are scared Kanter will blow up in OKC. Everyone knows they are a world class organization with the best GM in terms of eye for talent. Look who he drafts and where. He finds a gem every draft. Trust me he saw the diamond in Kanter's rough. He knows Scotty Brooks is a top 5 head coach and maybe the best developmental coach (look at what he did to Ibaka). Kanters flaws can easily be fixed like they mentioned his footwork. He can easily master pick and roll footwork.
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LOL This is just priceless!
 
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