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Newsok's Berry Tramel: "Kanter had no defensive mentor with Jazz"

WhiskyPriest said:
Sounds like Kanter is saying what he needs to say to get paid.
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Which is exactly what he used to do in Utah before his melt down. Hopefully he convinces the Thunder of his sincerity long enough for them to pay him big, and then he reverts to the man we know and don't love. If that happens we will have moved one spot closer to the playoffs even without improvement on our own team.
 
freakazoid said:
Yeah, if the goal was to miss the playoffs, it was a great pick up. Otherwise, it remains to be seen what happens in FA. OKC may very well have given up multiple assets for the right to overpay the worst defensive center in the league or for a half-year rental.
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All in all missing the PO was good for the Thunder. Had no chance of beating Warriors with their current health status. This way they get to keep their pick and get another young talented player. They could really use a Sam Dekker or Devin Booker type of player on their roster.
 
Kaminksy/Ibaka lineups would also be super interesting. Spacing would be deadly with that lineup with Westbrook/Durant/Morrow. Kaminsky can't be any worse defensively than Kanter.
 
I don't think you can teach stupid. His problem is he is the stupidest guy in the NBA and he is an ignorant to.
 
Unfortunately I doubt the Thunder front office and coaching staff are as brain dead as the "reporter" who wrote this article.
 
Ellis269 said:
Thea best part about that article is that it glaringly overlooks the fact that Kanter's defensive mentor was Gobert. Rudy was always telling Enes where to be and how to rotate on defense. He would chastise him when he needed it and praise him when that was called for. Just because he was drafted two years later and is the same age doesn't diminish his value. Future Jazz players are going to have the same experiences. Hopefully they appreciate it more.
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Anybody remember Rudy literally pushing Enes towards the spots he needed to be at in defense and towards the rotations he needed to make? I should search for the gif...
 
Makes me wonder, who mentored Gary Payton or Shaq or Jordan on defense? Those must have been some pretty serious mentors, no doubt, since all it takes is a mentor to make a defensive star out of the LITERALLY LAST WORST DEFENDER IN THE LEAGUE apparently.
 
This article fails to explain how Gobert is our best defensive center in over twenty years as well as how Utah led the league in team defense (94.9).
 
I distinctly remember Richard Jefferson trying to help Kanter out with defense and Kanter thinking it was a joke.

Richard Jefferson on talking with Enes Kanter, "He believes that offense is more important than defense. Yes, I'm telling that to the media. Those are his own words. Not saying that he says that they're equally important. He says that in the playoffs, you need good offensive players. And I was like, you will not find a championship team that doesn't know to get stops in the last five minutes of the game."
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If Richard Jefferson was saying that publically, I'm sure that he wasn't the only one frustrated. . .
 
I know we all like to flame Kanter constantly now, but article kind of has a point.

Of course naturally great defenders don't need a defensive mentor, but maybe naturally poor ones do. Kanter had Al Jefferson to emulate, that couldn't have helped his defensive mindset since Jefferson basically used defensive possessions to rest so he could play offense. Yeah, he had Rudy and Favors, but you don't get mentored by guys your same age.
 
Cy said:
I know we all like to flame Kanter constantly now, but article kind of has a point.

Of course naturally great defenders don't need a defensive mentor, but maybe naturally poor ones do. Kanter had Al Jefferson to emulate, that couldn't have helped his defensive mindset since Jefferson basically used defensive possessions to rest so he could play offense. Yeah, he had Rudy and Favors, but you don't get mentored by guys your same age.
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Meh you get mentored by whomever you allow to mentor you. I learned a ton early in my career from a "kid" who was barely 20 but one of the best management minds I had ever met, and 6 years my junior (he is now a COO somewhere making ridicudollars). I think the Jefferson quote was closer to the truth. And, yet again, it comes back to personal effort and attitude.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Meh you get mentored by whomever you allow to mentor you. I learned a ton early in my career from a "kid" who was barely 20 but one of the best management minds I had ever met, and 6 years my junior (he is now a COO somewhere making ridicudollars). I think the Jefferson quote was closer to the truth. And, yet again, it comes back to personal effort and attitude.
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Kanter wanted to be mentored by Jefferson because he realized that as long as you produce points and grab rebounds people are going to pay you big bucks (at least enough for a bed big enough for many many women) and give you a bunch of lip service about defense but not really demand it of you and still pay you. Al Jefferson was the master of that ****. And Ty Corbin didn't hold players accountable for the ******** they did on the court.

Then Q starts ripping his *** out of games for poor defense. Time to take the Jefferson show on the road, young man.
 
I remember the good old days when they didn't just allow any idiot to write articles. That was just bad and completely biased. Not even a mention of Favors who had basically the same mentors as Kanter, and no mention of how amazing the jazz's defense was after the trade. And if I recall. Coach Q even told everyone that if u don't play defense u won't play. I guess Kanter didn't take that seriously.

If this wasn't a completely biased take this article would've been all about Kanter not taking defense seriously, and how selfish he was in Utah.


LogGrad98 said:
Jefferson is not as bad a defender as everyone here makes him out to be. Easily better than Boozer. Lightyears ahead of Kanter. Probably just at or maybe a little below average for a big.
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Half right half wrong. I actually think he's an elite post defender. And very bad help defender
kabenac said:
This article fails to explain how Gobert is our best defensive center in over twenty years as well as how Utah led the league in team defense (94.9).
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didn't Eaton come out after the season ended and offer to work out with Gobert? Hope Gobert takes him up on that offer. Lol
framer said:
I distinctly remember Richard Jefferson trying to help Kanter out with defense and Kanter thinking it was a joke.
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Did RJ say this after the trade, or when he was on the team? Also, this tels me there isn't anything any mentor could do to help him
 
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