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LoPo said:
I would trade Favors for any asset that helps our future.

I would only trade Hood for a great asset. Mirotic is a lateral move. Once we trade Hood, most on this forum will be whining for a dynamic wing who can shoot. And on top of that, we stand to keep Hood for a while. We might only have Mirotic for 18 months.

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I dont consider hood "dynamic". And though i think he should be a great shooter (and maybe will be) career averages of 41% from the field and 37% from three are not that great (career bests of 42% from field and 40% from 3) . Poor rebounder, poor passer, (not sure about his defense really but has a bad rep among fans it seems)
Add in the fact that he is always injured and the fact that we dont know how much some other team might offer him...... Im not super excited about hood.
Plus i think its easier to find a 6-6 to 6-8 wing that can shoot (i think there are quite a few of those) and do little else than it is to find a 6-10 guy that can shoot like mirotic is shooting. Mirotic is more rare than hood imo.
And mirotic is more a need than hood imo. We can play JJ, Burks, Ingles, mitchell, exum, thabo at the wings.
 
LoPo said:
I would trade Favors for any asset that helps our future.

I would only trade Hood for a great asset. Mirotic is a lateral move. Once we trade Hood, most on this forum will be whining for a dynamic wing who can shoot. And on top of that, we stand to keep Hood for a while. We might only have Mirotic for 18 months.

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I dont consider hood "dynamic". And though i think he should be a great shooter (and maybe will be) career averages of 41% from the field and 37% from three are not that great (career bests of 42% from field and 40% from 3) . Poor rebounder, poor passer, (not sure about his defense really but has a bad rep among fans it seems)
Add in the fact that he is always injured and the fact that we dont know how much some other team might offer him...... Im not super excited about hood.
Plus i think its easier to find a 6-6 to 6-8 wing that can shoot (i think there are quite a few of those) and do little else than it is to find a 6-10 guy that can shoot like mirotic is shooting. Mirotic is more rare than hood imo.
 
fishonjazz said:
I dont consider hood "dynamic". And though i think he should be a great shooter (and maybe will be) career averages of 41% from the field and 37% from three are not that great (career bests of 42% from field and 40% from 3) . Poor rebounder, poor passer, (not sure about his defense really but has a bad rep among fans it seems)
Add in the fact that he is always injured and the fact that we dont know how much some other team might offer him...... Im not super excited about hood.
Plus i think its easier to find a 6-6 to 6-8 wing that can shoot (i think there are quite a few of those) and do little else than it is to find a 6-10 guy that can shoot like mirotic is shooting. Mirotic is more rare than hood imo.
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Fair points. All of them.

I just feel that Mirotic also comes with his own limitations. And I do think that Hood is a better asset because of his restricted status. As for PF coverage, I think we should be using Ingles some there and maybe we will once Favors is gone.
 
I think I just want a trade that pushes us one way or the other... If we got Mirotic without using a 1st round pick I think it helps us win more than Hood and Favors (assuming a healthy Rudy is coming). If we aren't making win now moves then I'd like to see us liquidate the roster a bit and move guys that aren't part of the future. Playing with less than ideal parts and not giving enough development time for guys that will be here later is not what I want if we are going to be a team that just makes the playoffs.

The Favs/Rubio/Gobert thing needs to be sorted out ASAP once Rudy is back... Also, if Joe Jesus can't get things going I think its time to move on... play Thabo, Jerebko, Royce in the 4.

Mirotic is about as good of a fit that we could find all things considered. If he goes somewhere else for 25 cents on the dollar I'll be pissed. If they want too much I am fine passing.
 
I would give up any combination outside of Exum (?), DM, Ingles, Hood, Gobert, & 1st's for mirotic but a 3rd team would likely need to be involved as the assets that would likely interest CHI are (seemingly) our long-term core.

Maybe a PF/C needy team is willing to ship prospects/picks to CHI for Favors. Or a contender looking to add depth/experience.

One way or another, we need to commit to a specific direction & avoid losing any asset(s) of any value for nothing in return.
 
Utah has traded 2 first round picks in the last 2 years for short term improvement, and things haven't really worked out too well. That's just not a road we can continue down at this point. Utah should be looking to move their tradable assets for picks, in order to undo some of the damage from the Haywood sweepstakes.

An expiring + a 2nd is a pipe dream. Somebody will offer a better deal. It's possible Utah could pull off a 3 team trade where somebody else sends Chicago FRP, but again, Utah should be more interested in keeping the pick themselves.

I just don't see a way to get him to Utah without giving up a first, and Utah can't continue to gamble like that at this point.
 
LoPo said:
Fair points. All of them.

I just feel that Mirotic also comes with his own limitations. And I do think that Hood is a better asset because of his restricted status. As for PF coverage, I think we should be using Ingles some there and maybe we will once Favors is gone.
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It becomes a lost asset if DL doesn't want to match though. Don't assume he will at any price, he might want to keep a max spot open for Klay or someone else in 2-3 years.
 
Jazz4ever said:
It becomes a lost asset if DL doesn't want to match though. Don't assume he will at any price, he might want to keep a max spot open for Klay or someone else in 2-3 years.
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Thank you.

Let's not talk about players like they're never poison pills. Hood seriously worries me. You blow 20 million on a guy that misses or sucks/is a non-factor in half of his games and you've blown your shot at being a contender with the difficulties the Jazz are facing.

By the way, that's a thing. Rodney Hood has missed 1/3 of his games for mostly non-contact injuries and anxiety (... as a pro athlete?), is terrible in a considerable portion of games, and shows no grit.
 
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freakazoid said:
Utah has traded 2 first round picks in the last 2 years for short term improvement, and things haven't really worked out too well. That's just not a road we can continue down at this point. Utah should be looking to move their tradable assets for picks, in order to undo some of the damage from the Haywood sweepstakes.

An expiring + a 2nd is a pipe dream. Somebody will offer a better deal. It's possible Utah could pull off a 3 team trade where somebody else sends Chicago FRP, but again, Utah should be more interested in keeping the pick themselves.

I just don't see a way to get him to Utah without giving up a first, and Utah can't continue to gamble like that at this point.
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Don't worry, they're not trading a 1st for Mirotic.
 
Xthren said:
I think Hood, Favors might get it done. Favors is better then lopez and he could easily start next to markenan
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The Bulls don't want to win this year, that's why they are trading Mirotic in the first place. He's 27 and doesn't fit their rebuild.
 
He still has not removed his trade demand per sauces...

I think they are in a spot where they almost have to move him. We just have to outbid the current suitors on this one.

I’m a tank advocate but I think he could be a difference maker and is at an age where it fits. Im in “get Niko for cheap or tank the eff out of this B” mode... it’s become a weird place in my jazz fandom.
 
You know, Olden Polynice had a tattoo on his upper arm that said “Niko.” I wonder if that’s an omen.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He still has not removed his trade demand per sauces...

I think they are in a spot where they almost have to move him. We just have to outbid the current suitors on this one.

I’m a tank advocate but I think he could be a difference maker and is at an age where it fits. Im in “get Niko for cheap or tank the eff out of this B” mode... it’s become a weird place in my jazz fandom.
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Those most be some good sauces you are talking to.

I don't think he will agree to a trade to the jazz unfortunately. But I would be happy if we picked him up for a reasonable deal.

I wanted the jazz to pursue him the free agency. I think they could have got him or made a sign or trade for him.

I also wanted us to trade for him last year as well.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Those most be some good sauces you are talking to.

I don't think he will agree to a trade to the jazz unfortunately. But I would be happy if we picked him up for a reasonable deal.

I wanted the jazz to pursue him the free agency. I think they could have got him or made a sign or trade for him.

I also wanted us to trade for him last year as well.
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It was in the tribune... check out Realgm.com

I wanted us to sign him too, but we only had MLE and they would have matched. They maybe would have done some sort of sign and trade, but that would essentially be the type of deal we'd have to swing for him now. I think they wanted to keep him.

I think he would 1000% accept a trade here... We have an offense that would get him the ball and he'd be a clear starter. If we brought him on I'd sit Favs (if he wasn't in the deal) and just tell him tough. There is a good chance Favs is a super backup center going forward... I think the center market is going to be so depressed... people will be shocked at the offers guys like him get.
 
infection said:
You know, Olden Polynice had a tattoo on his upper arm that said “Niko.” I wonder if that’s an omen.
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It can't be a coincidence. Little known fact... Adam Keefe has a lower back tattoo that says LBJ... we getting Lebron bitches.
 
I wonder who would give a first for him... I'm guessing there aren't a ton of takers that would give a 1st without some bad salary going back.

I'm sure Porty would do a first like Cy suggested, but they would want Chicago to eat one of Moe Harkless or Meyer Leonard.

I wonder if we offered a "fake first" if it would work. So like a 2018 1st top-15/16 protected this year and lotto protected next year... if it does not convey then it converts into a second. That has a chance of conveying... If Niko moved us into 6th or 7th in the west I'd say the deal worked well for us. I'd try to do an AB and our fake first for Niko. They eat some money next year, but AB isn't completely dead money and he only has one more year on the deal.

If what Niko is doing is close to the new-Niko I think he'd tear it up in our offense. 10 more days.
 
There is no chance that Niko would veto a trade to the Jazz. A starring role on a good team with a Center that plasters over most of his weaknesses? The Jazz would be his ideal situation.

The fan in me has real problems with exiling Favs to Chicago, however. . .
 
framer said:
There is no chance that Niko would veto a trade to the Jazz. A starring role on a good team with a Center that plasters over most of his weaknesses? The Jazz would be his ideal situation.

The fan in me has real problems with exiling Favs to Chicago, however. . .
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He'd only be there for a few months unless they paid him a ton to come back... and then he is making a ton of money. It isn't Sacramento.
 
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