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Noah Vonleh. Why???

PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Bruh if im swinging for the fences in this draft, heres what im doing;

Trading down, like 2 times.

5 for 7 and next years first rounder unprotected from the Lakers.

7 for 14, 18 and 50

Rodney Hood, Adreian Payne, PJ Hairston, Walter Tavares(Stash), Josh Huestis.

Trey - FA - Garrett
Hayward - Burks - Hairston
Hood - Hairston - Huestis
Kanter - Payne - Evans
Favors - Gobert

and the Lakers pick next year...
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I don't know if I necessarily would call that swinging for the fences as much as a good realistic and creative deal.
I could take it or leave it, tbh. Incredible depth, but nothing real game-changing for us. I'd much rather see a major move to top 2, if possible.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Bruh if im swinging for the fences in this draft, heres what im doing;

Trading down, like 2 times.

5 for 7 and next years first rounder unprotected from the Lakers.

7 for 14, 18 and 50

Rodney Hood, Adreian Payne, PJ Hairston, Walter Tavares(Stash), Josh Huestis.

Trey - F/A - Garrett
Burks - Hairston
Hayward - Hood - Huestis
Kanter - Payne - Evans
Favors - Gobert

and the Lakers pick next year...
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That's also a very poor line up defensively. Are we tanking for '17 yet?
 
PKM said:
That's also a very poor line up defensively. Are we tanking for '17 yet?
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I can live with that lineup, with an extra first rounder in '15 and '17 and all those rookie scale contracts, the jazz could easily shake things up at the trade deadline if necessary.

The Jazz are in a precarious position in this draft because they have a Premium pick, yet that player isnt likely to crack the starting lineup, or have all that much to do with the jazz sinking or swimming next season. Wiggins is the only player in this draft I could see drastically changing the Jazz defense. If Damien Inglis pans out, he will be an absolute menace, but thats years down the line.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
I can live with that lineup, with an extra first rounder in '15 and '17 and all those rookie scale contracts, the jazz could easily shake things up at the trade deadline if necessary.

The Jazz are in a precarious position in this draft because they have a Premium pick, yet that player isnt likely to crack the starting lineup, or have all that much to do with the jazz sinking or swimming next season. Wiggins is the only player in this draft I could see drastically changing the Jazz defense. If Damien Inglis pans out, he will be an absolute menace, but thats years down the line.
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Agree with all that.

I think most people here underrate what we may be able to do in FA in the coming two years.. which is why I commented positively on your depth.
 
If the defense is terrible next year, Alec and Enes' contract offers will be much more reasonable for the Jazz to match
 
PKM said:
I get what you're saying, but I gotta admit I laughed at that. Yay!
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Someones going to need to put this team on their back for it to make the playoffs next year, I dont see that happening. I still say the Jazz should be in 'Asset Acquisition' mode.

To put it bluntly, I dont mind if Alec or Enes have an off year next season, getting good young players like that locked into near mid-level deals on their second contracts, could pay off bigtime in a few years.
 
Lattimer said:
Does Vonleh look...weird to anyone else? Is it his shoulders? WHAT IS IT!? Compare him to Gordon, he looks like he has a tiny frame. Is that it?

https://nbcsports700level.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/wiggins-draft-lottery-e1400690974394.jpg


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Based on that pic, my order is Gordon, Embiid, McDermott, Vonleh then Wiggins


I don't like the flaps on Smart's suit, and don't like the color of Wiggins' suit. Is the other one Ennis? I hate that one as well. I'm sure Corbin would agree with my assessment.
 
I am starting to think Vonleh will be what Marvin Williams was supposed to be coming out of college.
 
PKM said:
Agree with all that.

I think most people here underrate what we may be able to do in FA in the coming two years.. which is why I commented positively on your depth.
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If we keep Hayward, we actually don't have a ton of cap space next season to spend, not with cap holds for Kanter and Burks. Plenty of room under the tax threshhold, just not enough to go out and offer anything big. Probably in the $8-10M range is all. And that assumes we don't bring in any FA's on more than 1 year contracts this season. This year we have up to a MAX contract to offer...only problem is that the FA market is pretty weak.
 
Honestly, I don't love Vonleh. He may not pan out. Many times with 18 year old kids you draft based on potential. Vonleh has good core skills in shooting (nice jumphook with both hands), dribbling and man on man D. And his size and length is a major asset for him. He has the tools to be great He possesses core skills that are hard to teach. He needs to improve his footwork on both ends of the floors, but this is teachable. If you aren't drafting on potential, don't touch Wiggins either, because he is all about potential.

The fact is, any player we are discussing at 5 could have great potential. If I am gambling on potential, I weigh future upside with current skillset, and take the player that has higher probability for long-term success. I think Gordon could be good, but I have seen too many bigs that just don't improve much with shooting. Of course there are exceptions to the general rule, but based on stats, shooting generally doesn't have a huge improvement.
 
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Favors was all about potential and might be a decent parallel to Vonleh. WE complain about Derrick just not having the killer instinct. Just too nice a guy. That is the risk with Vonleh. He's more advanced than Favors offensively, but like Derrick, doesn't seem to have much fire.

That's one of the reasons I wouldn't be too opposed to the Favors + #5/ Varejao + #1 swap. Parker has an alpha personality - at least offensively. Varejao can bring some nasty, too. And that gives plenty of time for Gobert to develop, if the Jazz believe he can be a starter at some point.
 
UGLI baby said:
You think he does?

To me he doesnt look anywhere near as long as Bosh. Am I wrong about this?

Also, seemed like Bosh dominated at G Tech
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I agree. I know guys that can run 5.0 40's, benchpress 225 30+ times, with long arms who weigh 300 pounds. They played college football. But their measurables in a vacuum mean nothing when it comes to the technique, brute strength and quickness that are needed in the NFL. Vonleh measures so well as far as his standing reach and no step vert go and yet I'm hard pressed to find a highlight of the kid dunking or swatting a shot.

You either play long or you don't. He doesn't despite having strong measurements.

Hell, Blake Griffin had a standing reach of 8'9" with a no-step vert of 32 inches and max vert of 35.5 inches. Vonleh measured at 9'0" and had verts of 31.0 and 37.0. Do we really think Vonleh plays bigger than Griffin, on the offensive end at least? No and it's not even close. The kid doesn't even play remotely big on offense...which let's face it, we could use right now.

I guess what I'm saying is that his measurements and their significance are imo overstated. The kid just doesn't play big on offense, or even defense really either other than in his rebounding. Against the best guys in the world, I think that will suffer though.
 
Core4 said:
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Favors was all about potential and might be a decent parallel to Vonleh. WE complain about Derrick just not having the killer instinct. Just too nice a guy. That is the risk with Vonleh. He's more advanced than Favors offensively, but like Derrick, doesn't seem to have much fire.

That's one of the reasons I wouldn't be too opposed to the Favors + #5/ Varejao + #1 swap. Parker has an alpha personality - at least offensively. Varejao can bring some nasty, too. And that gives plenty of time for Gobert to develop, if the Jazz believe he can be a starter at some point.
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Great post. Unfortunately I agree with you, Favors just isn't very advanced offensively, and I don't see that changing. I personally feel like he is overpaid, and if we can move him and bring in better talent, then do it!
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Ive read stories that fly directly in the face of this, I read once that he missed a 3 at the end of an AAU game in which his team lost by 2. After the game he took full blame for the loss, and immediately wanted to go work on his shooting and basically for a day or 2 you couldnt pry him out of the gym, he was so mad at himself. ill try to find the exact story, it was something crazy though, I think he practiced for the 3rd time that day at 8pm and then tried to get his AAU coach to re-open the gym again at 11pm.
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I read it to. It is in the same article as the Disneyland story.
 
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