Game Thread Nov 19, 2024 08:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Los Angeles Lakers

[HermanG]

This game highlights how lopsided the "theoretical size and athleticism" vs "the guy can actually hoop" drafting can be at times.

Not saying Knecht is HIM or Cody is never gonna be NBA level... but right now one is a real boy while the other cannot even use those superior measurables to bother him.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'm rewatching some of tonight's game on KJZZ. It's apparent that the Jazz are probably the worst playmaking team in the league right now. Our guys, with one or two exceptions, are only able to make the most basic of passes, and even this requires time to process. No one is making a read or running much of a play.

 

[HermanG]

I'm rewatching some of tonight's game on KJZZ. It's apparent that the Jazz are probably the worst playmaking team in the league right now. Our guys, with one or two exceptions, are only able to make the most basic of passes, and even this requires time to process. No one is making a read or running much of a play.

Kessler, Lauri, Hendricks and the theoretical version of Cody.... all our "top prospects/guys" are the type that need a sun to revolve around or they wont be able to be the best versions of themselves. No matter if one or two of them develop their handles. They still arent gonna turn into Tatums or whatnots.

A guy like Key could work as the secondary playmaker, but we basically need Egor or some other prospect who can utilize those guys as an extension of himself. Its like Luka and Kyrie who can initiate the offense and make plays that also help Lively, Gafford and PJ Washington look like studs.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Playmake, get to the rim and convert, defend multiple positions, probably shoot well enough, maybe self-create and beat smaller guards in isolation. That's what he did at Colorado when he was engaged. Cody's problem is that his body isn't ready to do most those things right now.

No, the problem is that what he did at Colorado – against much, much weaker competition – may have been his ceiling as a player. There was never any hint that he has that extra gear you need when you get to the NBA.

He was drafted at #10 because of name recognition and a mistaken belief that there was a reason to expect him to be something of a late bloomer, like his bro.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Oh well, when I look at the big picture, it becomes clear that not drafting Knecht was the right decision – I mean he may only be a very productive, scoring starter in the NBA for the next 10 years instead of 12. It'll all be over before it began!

 

[Agent#00]

"...everybody in the gym knew that Dalton Knecht was going to shoot the next shot, with the exception of a few people. The problem was that those few people were on our team." --Hardy

Blame the players eh? It was a 9pt lead then knecht hit 4 3s before he called a timeout. Lead ballooned to 22 at the end of 3Q.

 

[zags422]

When you already have a championship lineup, adding a plug in piece like Knecht is a great option. Great draft pick by the Lakers. In the same league, Knecht does not look near as good as he did tonight if he is playing for the Jazz. The Jazz have a lot of great role players or even supporting star players but currently are missing one if not 2 players still that would raise the ceiling of our current group. Definitely not saying Cody Williams looks more promising then Knecht, but in our situation, could still be the better move. We will never compete for championships until we have found our center point for the team. That player is not currently on the roster. Next 2 drafts will spell out the near future pending who we get and if they are the guy.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

keep in mind, knecht is a young white guy playing with lebron. lebron always makes those dudes exceed expectations.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When you already have a championship lineup, adding a plug in piece like Knecht is a great option. Great draft pick by the Lakers. In the same league, Knecht does not look near as good as he did tonight if he is playing for the Jazz. The Jazz have a lot of great role players or even supporting star players but currently are missing one if not 2 players still that would raise the ceiling of our current group. Definitely not saying Cody Williams looks more promising then Knecht, but in our situation, could still be the better move. We will never compete for championships until we have found our center point for the team. That player is not currently on the roster. Next 2 drafts will spell out the near future pending who we get and if they are the guy.

Or maybe he would look better with more opportunity and less pressure.

Regardless, he's clearly much much much better than Cody. It might take Cody 3 years to get to the point where Knecht is now.

I'm not against drafting for potential, but when you're drafting someone who is so far away, that's kind of an issue unless the potential is massive, and the Cody potential definitely isnt massive.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

keep in mind, knecht is a young white guy playing with lebron. lebron always makes those dudes exceed expectations.

He's playing on a team that has a collective passing mindset. Sure, Lebron probably has a lot to do with it. But it's still smart basketball, no matter the personnel.

We, on the other hand, play dumb, selfish basketball.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He's playing on a team that has a collective passing mindset. Sure, Lebron probably has a lot to do with it. But it's still smart basketball, no matter the personnel.

We, on the other hand, play dumb, selfish basketball.

I dont think we play selfish dumb basketball. I just think we have so few playmakers, that it puts way too much pressure on the guys who can actually create their own shot.

Filipowski has hit a rookie wall it seems, and he was the main catalyst of the improved ball movement/flow, so the offense has taken another hit. Then we roll out Cody for 10-15 MPG and when you play him, the offense is impossible to run.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

He's playing on a team that has a collective passing mindset. Sure, Lebron probably has a lot to do with it. But it's still smart basketball, no matter the personnel.

We, on the other hand, play dumb, selfish basketball.

any team lebron is on has a passing mindset. he is the catalyst for that.

 

[SojoDave]

I tried to tell the Jazz to draft Dalton Kinect, but they never listen to me.

 

[jom2003]

At this point Cody needs to be sent down to the G league to work on his game.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

At this point Cody needs to be sent down to the G league to work on his game.

I was against it, but I'm starting to think it has to happen.

 

[zags422]

I dont think we play selfish dumb basketball. I just think we have so few playmakers, that it puts way too much pressure on the guys who can actually create their own shot.

Filipowski has hit a rookie wall it seems, and he was the main catalyst of the improved ball movement/flow, so the offense has taken another hit. Then we roll out Cody for 10-15 MPG and when you play him, the offense is impossible to run.

Agreed. More than likely, Knecht falls into the same category…our ball movement is not good. Knecht would make a slight improvement for right now but jazz need to be looking 3-4 years from now. Still am ok with the Cody Williams pick. Just my opinion on long term building strategy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Agreed. More than likely, Knecht falls into the same category…our ball movement is not good. Knecht would make a slight improvement for right now but jazz need to be looking 3-4 years from now. Still am ok with the Cody Williams pick. Just my opinion on long term building strategy.

Knecht would greatly improve our spacing and our ability to run offense. If Clarkson/Keyonte/Filipowski/Sexton had a guy like Knecht to hit, our offense would look much better.

Just watching Cody the last handful of games, the guys are super hesitant to give him the ball because they know nothing will come of it outside of wasting 5 seconds of shot clock.

 

[HeatCheck]

Come on, the Lakers knew they were winning the game and coasted to the end.

Also Lakers are basically only playing with 4 guys (LBJ, AD, Reaves, Knecht). They need to preserve their players' energy until they make a few trades. I can see them potentially having interest in a few Jazzmen (Kessler? Sexton?). DLo won't be there at the deadline that's for sure.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Also Lakers are basically only playing with 4 guys (LBJ, AD, Reaves, Knecht). They need to preserve their players' energy until they make a few trades. I can see them potentially having interest in a few Jazzmen (Kessler? Sexton?). DLo won't be there at the deadline that's for sure.

rui too when healthy, but your point stands.

 

[zags422]

Knecht would greatly improve our spacing and our ability to run offense. If Clarkson/Keyonte/Filipowski/Sexton had a guy like Knecht to hit, our offense would look much better.

Just watching Cody the last handful of games, the guys are super hesitant to give him the ball because they know nothing will come of it outside of wasting 5 seconds of shot clock.

Totally agree. But if Knecht wins is 8 more games and we draft 8th instead of 3rd, for our timeline, would that be worth it? He is a great piece to add to a seasoned team bc he will add that extra spacing. Would not be as good of spacing with the jazz but he would be infinitely better than Cody right now. Just doesn’t fit the bigger picture in my mind which is we need a superstar