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Obama might be the best President in 100 years.

But could one argue that was more to do with the army doing their thing? Was it a policy specific to Obama to get rid of Osama?
Thing is when something happens under a presidents time whether good or bad he gets the credit or the blame. So it really doesn't matter how much involvement he had, he still gets the credit.

I would also say getting out of a recession was another one.
I remember lots of layoffs and my hours getting cut drastically back around 2008 and I was very worried about having a job and paying my bills.

Now I'm getting more overtime than I ever had in my life and making more money than at any point in my life.

Also there was a Marijuana legalization revolution that occurred recently and that was pretty cool.
 
I'm going to have to disagree with fish. Neither of those were accomplishments by Obama. Getting bin Laden was in progress for years before that fell into his lap. And the economic recovery was a result of market forces way more than anything Obama did. He doesn't deserve any credit for either of those.
 
I was most concerned with the Bush aggressive attitudes and I thought war with Iran was a coming thing. Obama avoided that war.

Our economy has picked up in some ways. I see lots of new construction along my route. Silicon Valley is going strong. new housing and shopping in Utah county and Washington County.

I think the push for solar was serendipitous and looks to be a real boom/boon to our economy. Solar can beat power plant and grid economics for those who have roofs on their homes or a place to locate solar near it's point of use. Long transmission lines cost as much 20% of the power used in remote locations.

The demand for transferable health coverage was going to be met when some private company began to sell it, and discovered they could get market share with it.

The FDR concept of govt helping local hospitials, "community hospitals" and assisting in meeting emergency needs people couldn't pay for was sorta ditched when corporate biggies began their move on health care provider dominance. But we will always need to help people who can't help themselves.
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I'm going to have to disagree with fish. Neither of those were accomplishments by Obama. Getting bin Laden was in progress for years before that fell into his lap. And the economic recovery was a result of market forces way more than anything Obama did. He doesn't deserve any credit for either of those.

That's what I thought too...


I feel like those were more singles and doubles or even bunts... Obamacare was supposed to be his home run.
 
Top of my list is the deal with Iran and opening up relations with Cuba.

As it has gone I don't like the deal with Iran as much, not because of the reasons people have criticized it since it was being discussed, but because Iran has continued to be hostile to our forces in the Persian Gulf and better relations were not built from that deal.

I'm really excited about Cuba and I really hope to visit there in the next several years. I think we have done a lot of damage to Cuba through our economic policies and I'm encouraged that Cuban's might start having a much better quality of life soon. I hope that it also encourages their government to become less authoritarian.

I am very happy that Obama didn't start any new wars and didn't entangle us too much into ongoing world conflicts. As a person who joined the U.S. Navy when Bill Clinton was finishing his Presidency, to Bush jrs. election, 9-11 and deploying specifically to take part in the beginning of the war in Iraq I have been very relieved to have 8 years of a President that didn't see the U.S. military as his special play thing that proved how big his junk was.
 
Top of my list is the deal with Iran and opening up relations with Cuba.


YEAH, murderous dictators. even giving 1 a giftwrapped nuke!

and the cubans who fled to america and live there dont seem so pleased with obama going to baseball game with the murderous dictator.


obama has no defining moment except being a symbolic first black guy


I am very happy that Obama didn't start any new wars and didn't entangle us too much into ongoing world conflicts. As a person who joined the U.S. Navy when Bill Clinton was finishing his Presidency, to Bush jrs. election, 9-11 and deploying specifically to take part in the beginning of the war in Iraq I have been very relieved to have 8 years of a President that didn't see the U.S. military as his special play thing that proved how big his junk was.


he did not start any wars? really?
 
Neither of those were accomplishments by Obama. Getting bin Laden was in progress for years before that fell into his lap. And the economic recovery was a result of market forces way more than anything Obama did.
Assumptions by you. (And possibly correct assumptions..... but assumptions none the less) Impossible for you to know how much he had to do with either thing.
 
Quick question, what would you guys say was Obama's defining achievement over the past 8 years?

Insuring people with per-existing conditions, Cuba, Bin Laden, Stock Market, Iraq/Syria supporting roll saving countless US lives, Gay Rights, no major attacks on US soil (sans the lone wolf who you really cant stop).
 
I'm going to have to disagree with fish. Neither of those were accomplishments by Obama. Getting bin Laden was in progress for years before that fell into his lap. And the economic recovery was a result of market forces way more than anything Obama did. He doesn't deserve any credit for either of those.

He made the direct call to go ahead with the mission. It was his lead, and his decision. Some where on record as saying they would not go into Pakistan and take him out. I believe McCain stated that. It was a risky call. Obama has to get executive credit for that.
 
Yes disaster.

You mention saving money in Iraq. Obama has spent more money than all other Presidents combined. But let's put that aside.

Arab Spring. Obama couldn't wait to get on board and in doing so he supported groups we really didn't know. Major contributor to the rise of the current middle east groups. Libya for example.

Syria, "Assad must go". Did we learn nothing from Iraq? Obama's policies have made that war dramatically worse leading to a fallout region and world wide. Yeah, Assad is trash. But how is the opposition working out. Look at the groups opposed to him? Only the Kurds are worth anything. Often the air supplies we drop end up in the hands of the exact people we are trying to stop.

How about going up to Putin and saying hey. We don't like Assad but we will back your play there if you cool it in Crimea? Or did we just think Russia would be cool with them in NATO? Let's keep pushing west...smh

But nope sanctions. Which hasn't done a damn thing except guarantee tension with Russia.

Or how about failing to join China's AII bank? That would have created a great amount of good will and possibly gotten China on board in our Asian pivot. Instead we didn't join and tried to pressure our allies into not joining as well. Something England and Israel rightfully ignored us on.

Throughout all of these things American goals have been anything but clear and that is something the President himself has admitted.

Name on part of the world Obama has engaged in that is better. Now I know that he isn't alone on the world stage but he has a record of failure on the world stage. That's a disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCR40j5SUGo

Well Stoked we see things completely different on Obama's foreign policy. I didnt see one concrete realistic option in there. How about we go to Putin and offer him a deal? Just talk it out? Thats your solution? #1 how do you know we didnt or what was offered behind closed doors. #2 Putin has been threatening out NATO allies on the east. We drove our tanks through the EAST and got cheered, people lining the streets with American flags. Thats not a disaster. Thats standing with our allies, and on the eastern front we are stronger today than ever before. I work with these countries every day. My base is a NATO training area. The soldiers come on our post, and use our facitilies. We talk politics. I ask them how they like us, our president, our country. Standing up to Putin isnt a weakness, it shows strength my friend. He is being the bully for show, and we called his bluff. We arent starting the war. The war in the middle east hasnt been clear. You have every country in inolved. This easily could have broken out into world war. He played a more passive roll, let Iraq fight its own battles, and we saved US lives in the region.

Youve stated that we should have tried to talk Putin to stay out of Syria? Not going to happen. There were agreements made, and there were also close calls. Nothing more than posturing. Obama didnt flinch. Rock solid.

He made mistakes. Both those arent them.

A disaster is world war. 10s of thousands of american deaths. Trillions lost for invading the wrong country.
Obamas policy did not cause these conflicts.

Respectfully disagree with you my friend. You are one of the few conservative members with even temper who have my upmost respect.
I get that you see the world, and Obama a completely different. I see it another way. As always I do like to see what the opposing side has
to say even if it strongly disagree with it. Respect.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnu7Lqxu00w

"from the moment we crossed the boarder...our whole route has been lined with people cheering us on"
 
He made the direct call to go ahead with the mission. It was his lead, and his decision. Some where on record as saying they would not go into Pakistan and take him out. I believe McCain stated that. It was a risky call. Obama has to get executive credit for that.

For saying "yes" when a "no" would be political and public relations suicide? Sure give him credit for making the most obvious decision that ever faced a sitting president.
 
Insuring people with per-existing conditions, Cuba, Bin Laden, Stock Market, Iraq/Syria supporting roll saving countless US lives, Gay Rights, no major attacks on US soil (sans the lone wolf who you really cant stop).

I'd say the landmark Obama things were 1) Gay Rights 2) Iran Deal 3) Normalizing relations with Cuba. ACA was doomed from the start, but it was better than what it replaced. The first three are pretty bulletproof though.
 
Even though I think obamacare is a mess and needs to be replaced it did start us down a path we have needed to go down for a long time. I hope we can get some lawmakers that can actually build on it and maintain some momentum toward true universal health care.

should've voted Bernie
 
I'd say the landmark Obama things were 1) Gay Rights 2) Iran Deal 3) Normalizing relations with Cuba. ACA was doomed from the start, but it was better than what it replaced. The first three are pretty bulletproof though.

1. gay rights where done by supreme court. seperation of powers. if obama has something to do with that he should be tried for tampering
2. yeah same deal north korea got. iran deal is horrible
3. ask cubans who fled from cuba what they think
 
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