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Obama might be the best President in 100 years.

DutchJazzer said:
1. gay rights where done by supreme court. seperation of powers. if obama has something to do with that he should be tried for tampering
2. yeah same deal north korea got. iran deal is horrible
3. ask cubans who fled from cuba what they think
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Iran Deal and Cuban agreements are good, you're just too stupid to understand why. I'm going back to ignoring all of your very ****ty takes.
 
LogGrad98 said:
For saying "yes" when a "no" would be political and public relations suicide? Sure give him credit for making the most obvious decision that ever faced a sitting president.
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This was in no way an easy call. He could have easily said no. Number one we went into another country's soil without permission. He put our people at risk. There was some doubt he was there. It was a gutsy risky call that could have easily backfired (and almost did as our helicopter crashed).

In no way was this an easy oh he had to say yes action. They were ****ting bricks in that room during the operation.
 
Revolution 9 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCR40j5SUGo

Well Stoked we see things completely different on Obama's foreign policy. I didnt see one concrete realistic option in there. How about we go to Putin and offer him a deal? Just talk it out? Thats your solution? #1 how do you know we didnt or what was offered behind closed doors. #2 Putin has been threatening out NATO allies on the east. We drove our tanks through the EAST and got cheered, people lining the streets with American flags. Thats not a disaster. Thats standing with our allies, and on the eastern front we are stronger today than ever before. I work with these countries every day. My base is a NATO training area. The soldiers come on our post, and use our facitilies. We talk politics. I ask them how they like us, our president, our country. Standing up to Putin isnt a weakness, it shows strength my friend. He is being the bully for show, and we called his bluff. We arent starting the war. The war in the middle east hasnt been clear. You have every country in inolved. This easily could have broken out into world war. He played a more passive roll, let Iraq fight its own battles, and we saved US lives in the region.

Youve stated that we should have tried to talk Putin to stay out of Syria? Not going to happen. There were agreements made, and there were also close calls. Nothing more than posturing. Obama didnt flinch. Rock solid.

He made mistakes. Both those arent them.

A disaster is world war. 10s of thousands of american deaths. Trillions lost for invading the wrong country.
Obamas policy did not cause these conflicts.

Respectfully disagree with you my friend. You are one of the few conservative members with even temper who have my upmost respect.
I get that you see the world, and Obama a completely different. I see it another way. As always I do like to see what the opposing side has
to say even if it strongly disagree with it. Respect.
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I agree on the respect part. I like talking to those that I disagree with if they actually try and talk with me. Not that talk at me, make constant wild assumptions or play gotcha games. Something you have never done to me.

I don't even see Obama the way the right paints him. "Worst president ever" and crap like that. Please he did some good to great things. I just did not like his foreign policy. On that we absolutely disagree. But in all fairness I think all (if not all) presidents foreign policy has been a failure/disaster. At least the Presidents I can remember clearly.
 
DutchJazzer said:
naah, most dont speak about it, because of political correctness!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-9ry38AhbU

Yeah all those people showed up because of political correctness.

The polls, the video proof. Youve got nothing but conspiracy theories and hatred because you are flat out wrong, and in the minority.
Not even Trump could win the popular vote!
 
Stoked said:
I agree on the respect part. I like talking to those that I disagree with if they actually try and talk with me. Not that talk at me or play gotcha games. Something you have never done.

I don't even see Obama the way the right paints him. "Worst president ever" and crap like that. Please he did some good to great things. I just did not like his foreign policy. On that we absolutely disagree. But in all fairness I think all (if not all) presidents foreign policy has been a failure/disaster. At least the Presidents I can remember clearly.
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I respect how you see Obama because I know you are a reasonable person. Its possible for people to see things in different ways.

Obama had failures and his foreign policy IS debatable. Which is why both our opinions have validity. If anything I just wanted to show you
how parts of eastern europe reacted to us. This has touched me personally because I am 30 mins from these boarders, and the soldiers you see
came from the area I work at. I guess my point is there were success and failures, and I wanted to show you something positive that is happening.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I respect how you see Obama because I know you are a reasonable person. Its possible for people to see things in different ways.

Obama had failures and his foreign policy IS debatable. Which is why both our opinions have validity. If anything I just wanted to show you
how parts of eastern europe reacted to us. This has touched me personally because I am 30 mins from these boarders, and the soldiers you see
came from the area I work at. I guess my point is there were success and failures, and I wanted to show you something positive that is happening.
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I am absolutely sure there are places where he and America are popular no doubt that includes Poland and the Baltic states for example.

I'll give you two more foreign policy successes IMO.

Ending the Cuba embargo, didn't work and long since outdated. Normalize relations with Cuba and tie them as close to America as Canada.

S. Korea and japan "comfort women" issue. By getting a final agreement it is a healing moment that down the road Japan and S. Korea can move past. Major step towards the long standing goal of a Tri-Lateral alliance between America, S. Korea and Japan.

But outside of that and some warm and fuzzy feelings towards America (which is great and all) I have been sorely disappointed yet again.
 
Best president ever. Says those that like the national debt DOUBLING under Obeezy.
Easy to get people to like you when you give everyone free stuff.
They loved Bernie Madoff to till they found out it was all a sham

Obummer is the Bernie Madoff of presidents
 
DutchJazzer said:
if the iran deal is so great why is it filled with secret side deals!

gotta keep the bad parts of it secret RIGHT!
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If they are secret then how do you know about them?
 
Revolution 9 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-9ry38AhbU

Yeah all those people showed up because of political correctness.

The polls, the video proof. Youve got nothing but conspiracy theories and hatred because you are flat out wrong, and in the minority.
Not even Trump could win the popular vote!
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ever heard of invisible man missing from polls?

bet you did not
 
Revolution 9 said:
He made the direct call to go ahead with the mission. It was his lead, and his decision. Some where on record as saying they would not go into Pakistan and take him out. I believe McCain stated that. It was a risky call. Obama has to get executive credit for that.
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LogGrad98 said:
For saying "yes" when a "no" would be political and public relations suicide? Sure give him credit for making the most obvious decision that ever faced a sitting president.
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Revolution9 does not understand Bin Laden was a tool used to invade the Mid East. Bill Clinton had a chance to send the hit squad in an declined cause they needed him to create 9-11 an be the figure head to point are fingers at.

This is how neo-cons think folks.

Remember after 9-11 how united the nation was? I do not remember a single person, whether democrat republican liberal conservative not uniting. Pretty much all of representatives supported RETALIATION. They were under POLITICAL PRESSURE to not to.

Now look what happens when Bin Laden is no longer a use. Neo-cons have there wars an OBAMA created more war then any US president ever. No more use so Obeezy murders his hired man. Typical mafia move. Gives Americans a symbolic trophy to.

Wake up people. Those behind the scenes are playing you.
 
Boris said:
Revolution9 does not understand Bin Laden was a tool used to invade the Mid East. Bill Clinton had a chance to send the hit squad in an declined cause they needed him to create 9-11 an be the figure head to point are fingers at.

This is how neo-cons think folks.

Remember after 9-11 how united the nation was? I do not remember a single person, whether democrat republican liberal conservative not uniting. Pretty much all of representatives supported RETALIATION. They were under POLITICAL PRESSURE to not to.

Now look what happens when Bin Laden is no longer a use. Neo-cons have there wars an OBAMA created more war then any US president ever. No more use so Obeezy murders his hired man. Typical mafia move. Gives Americans a symbolic trophy to.

Wake up people. Those behind the scenes are playing you.
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I think you need a new tinfoil hat.
 
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