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Stoked said:
Just as much as the left flaunts big brother, all encompasing government as the answer to everything. Using government as the way to create the entitlement class and a dependency on the governemnt for everything.
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But, what is wrong with helping? If someone is struggling what would a "Christian nation" preach? Darwinism? Because it seem they push Darwinism until it comes to bailing out Wall St. and the to big to fail businesses.
Are there those that take advantage of Big brother? Sure but we need to quit acting like the corporate world doesn't somehow contribute to that mentality. There are those that give years to companies for them to cut them off to apease some share holder who could give a %#$$ about the company. Then they are laid off. The corporate world is eroding the rights of working class Americans and we sit around and do nothing.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
But, what is wrong with helping? If someone is struggling what would a "Christian nation" preach? Darwinism? Because it seem they push Darwinism until it comes to bailing out Wall St. and the to big to fail businesses.
Are there those that take advantage of Big brother? Sure but we need to quit acting like the corporate world doesn't somehow contribute to that mentality. There are those that give years to companies for them to cut them off to apease some share holder who could give a %#$$ about the company. Then they are laid off. The corporate world is eroding the rights of working class Americans and we sit around and do nothing.
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There is nothing wrong with helping. However it is not goverments job, in my opinion, to tell me who I should and should not help. That is MY job. just as it is your job to tell yourself who and how you should help someone. Now i am not saying do away with all programs such as food stamps, medicaid, heat assistance, ...but enough already.

48 million Americans on food stamps (according to news reports)? That is insanity.

The corporate AND government world...
 
KOC BEGONE said:
But, what is wrong with helping?
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Absolutely nothing. That said, it is not the federal government's responsibility. You can't take my private property forcibly away and give it to whoever you think deserves it. This is one of the biggest reasons for the American Revolution. Do you think King George had it right?

There are those that give years to companies for them to cut them off to apease some share holder who could give a %#$$ about the company. Then they are laid off. The corporate world is eroding the rights of working class Americans and we sit around and do nothing.
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It's called free enterprise and capitalism. It's not perfect but it has helped shape America into the greatest, most powerful country ever. You have to take the bad with the good and there has been more good than bad. Even the destitute in America have a cell phone and cable on an HDTV.
 
Scat said:
Absolutely nothing. That said, it is not the federal government's responsibility. You can't take my private property forcibly away and give it to whoever you think deserves it. This is one of the biggest reasons for the American Revolution. Do you think King George had it right?

It's called free enterprise and capitalism. It's not perfect but it has helped shape America into the greatest, most powerful country ever. You have to take the bad with the good and there has been more good than bad. Even the destitute in America have a cell phone and cable on an HDTV.
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We said basically the same thing lol.
 
Scat said:
What? You want to drink with Franklin and not me? I'm taking my beer and going home...
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No my friend, stay. I meant that as you and I are already in for drinking. I just cannot imagine a Jazzfanzz booze fest with out Franklin. Can you?
 
Stoked said:
No my friend, stay. I meant that as you and I are already in for drinking. I just cannot imagine a Jazzfanzz booze fest with out Franklin. Can you?
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Good point as I firmly believe half his posts are made while soused.
 
Scat said:
Good point as I firmly believe half his posts are made while soused.
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I can't drink at work so what do you expect? :)
Taint a drinking party without Verlin, PKM, AintHopper, and Rev9's drunken moderating.



(BTW, Thomas Jefferson disagrees with your roll of government redistribution ideas)
 
franklin said:
I can't drink at work so what do you expect? :)
Taint a drinking party without Verlin, PKM, AintHopper, and Rev9's drunken moderating.



(BTW, Thomas Jefferson disagrees with your roll of government redistribution ideas)
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That is something I would like to see but alas. I will not.




Damn promises
 
Scat said:
He's always been the black sheep of the founding fathers.
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Could you kindly explain? Canadian school curriculum teaches next-to-nothing about American History.


And for the record, I feel like not enough people give credit to FDR for playing a massive role in making America the country it is today. Just the perspective of a Canadian who admittedly doesn't know very much about American political history.
 
Scat said:
He's always been the black sheep of the founding fathers.
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James Madison was right there with him:

In every political society, parties are unavoidable. A difference of

interests, real or supposed, is the most natural and fruitful source of

them. The great object should be to combat the evil: 1. By establishing a

political equality among all. 2. By withholding unnecessary opportunities

from a few, to increase the inequality of property, by an immoderate, and

especially an unmerited, accumulation of riches. 3. By the silent operation

of laws, which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme

wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigence towards a

state of comfort. 4. By abstaining from measures which operate differently

on different interests, and particularly such as favor one interest at the

expence of another. 5. By making one party a check on the other, so far as

the existence of parties cannot be prevented, nor their views accommodated.

If this is not the language of reason, it is that of republicanism.
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https://www.constitution.org/jm/17920123_parties.txt

See also primogeniture and entail.


The founding fathers were against a system of redistributing wealth in an agrarian society from the poor farmers to the rich elite, not the other way around. It was a different dynamic back then--hard work paid off as long as land was readily available to farm (which is why Virginians went after aristocratic land owning few of the rich, alluvial soil.
 
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