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Official 2012 Presidential Election: Obama vs Romney

Scat said:
The USA itself is not evil. It is the people running it that you should have issues with. For what it's worth the current admin is changing my life for it's own benefit and I'm not happy about it either.
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There will be always some people running it, and they will always have a general perspective of their own benefits. One's good is other's evil.

I want to quote Louis XIV: "L'État, c'est moi"
 
jazzyapma said:
As I am not US citizen, and never been to USA, my oppinions are very important for you, I know. (sarcasm, I am truly shocked many in this board do not understand sarcasm in many of my posts)

Let me explain the presidental election from the eyes of an alien: It's just a show and it's nothing to do with the political view or the president. The USA have a unchangable long term poltical plans especially for the international politics arena. Bureaucracy and officers govern the USA, not the Senate or the President.

For me, the only truth is the Great Middle East Project of the US, and the effects of this **** to my country and people around our neighbors. Many are dying for no reason. My country has been drifting into a model which US dictates, and is changing our life style from a modern, western way to modified version of Eastern Islamic way, called "Mild Islam" to show other Muslim countries that such governmental style is possible. And this methamorphosis of my country is killing me.

I believe USA is pure evil, because it changes my way of life, for its own benefit.

EDIT: I've just read an article which reads: "Romney said: If Israel attacks Iran, I do respect this decision" So in this case, I prefer Obama. Would you want a war at your doorstep?
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Rep you later. BTW Fethullah Gulen was not exiled. He knew that the **** had hit the ****in fan, so he fleed from the country to escape to his benefactors.
 
margodydek said:
I get why people were upset with Romney, but from the reactions people were having (mostly from the media), you'd think he declared war on GB.
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The individual problems in and of themselves are not a big deal - but when you have absolutely no other experience with foreign dignitaries to fall back on, it more than appropriate to state this guy is batting .000.

And if you treat the press like ****, as Romney has, then they will treat you like **** - it's that simple. Yes, we know that's not the way it's supposed to be; but in the world of adults he should probably know better.
 
DNC is going to include gay marriage in their party platform. Good for them.
 
Some of Obama's TV ads have put me off a bit. Seems like he's taking subtle jabs at Romney's faith then trying to play it off as something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1pPFlcGav4

Intellectual honesty...matters.
 
Not a big fan of Romney, but I don't dislike him as much as others on this board. Have been a pretty big Obama supporter but he is starting to put me off more and more, mainly with his ads. This is going to be an interesting race.
 
Stoked said:
I think it is a good way to rally the base. The problem for them is that it will also rally some of the GOP base as well.
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I probably follow politics the least out of anyone here so I could be wrong, but anytime they have actually had a state vote (meaning the people vote, not representatives) on legalizing gay marriage haven't they always stuck with the definition of a "traditional marriage"?
 
margodydek said:
I probably follow politics the least out of anyone here so I could be wrong, but anytime they have actually had a state vote (meaning the people vote, not representatives) on legalizing gay marriage haven't they always stuck with the definition of a "traditional marriage"?
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Yes, and by a fairly large majority. 60%+ for traditional marriage.
 
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but social issues aren't big to me.

Abortion or Marriage?

Meh. I know some people get supercharged over this and their vote goes to whoever votes for or against these issues.

But to me, I don't care.

Same thing with Chick-fil-e

If I go there, it's to eat their stuff. Not because of their stance on gay marriage. I've recently eaten at Apollo/Crown Burger. I go there because they have good food. It has never occurred to me what their stance is on social issues. Do they support gay marriage? Do they want women to have choice?

I don't care.

To me, it's simple.

IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID.

Economy, military/defense, and health care.

Abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etc.

I don't care. If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one. If you don't believe in gay marriage, then marry someone of the opposite gender. If you don't believe in smoking weed, then don't. Do we really need the government to tell us these things? How many times to wipe? Which church to go to? How many pages of scripture we can read?
 
margodydek said:
I probably follow politics the least out of anyone here so I could be wrong, but anytime they have actually had a state vote (meaning the people vote, not representatives) on legalizing gay marriage haven't they always stuck with the definition of a "traditional marriage"?
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Pretty much which is why I said it is a good way to rally the base.
 
https://thehill.com/polls/240917-hill-poll-voters-obama-romney-neck-and-neck-on-issues-of-character

It found 48 percent of voters consider Romney the stronger leader, compared to 44 percent who favored Obama.
Similarly, 47 percent of likely voters also said Romney most shares their values while 44 percent picked Obama.

When asked which candidate voters considered more honest and trustworthy, 46 percent said Romney and 44 percent said Obama — a result within the poll’s 3 percentage point margin of error.
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Ouch!
 
Gameface said:
Some of Obama's TV ads have put me off a bit. Seems like he's taking subtle jabs at Romney's faith then trying to play it off as something else.
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I hope I'm not the only one who voted for Obama to notice that our President has waited 3 and a half years to take off the gloves and he does it for the one cause that is exclusively beneficial to him - getting re-elected.

I am just about done with politics.
 
Mitt Romney’s plan to overhaul the tax code would produce cuts for the richest 5 percent of Americans — and bigger bills for everybody else, according to an independent analysis set for release Wednesday.*

The study was conducted by researchers at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, who seem to bend over backward to be fair to the Republican presidential candidate. To cover the cost of his plan — which would reduce tax rates by 20 percent, repeal the estate tax and eliminate taxes on investment income for middle-class taxpayers — the researchers assume that Romney would go after breaks for the richest taxpayers first.*

They even look at what would happen if Republicans’ dreams for tax reform came true and the proposal generated significant revenue through economic growth.*

None of it helped Romney. His rate-cutting plan for individuals would reduce tax collections by about $360 billion in 2015, the study says. To avoid increasing deficits — as Romney has pledged — the plan would have to generate an equivalent amount of revenue by slashing tax breaks for mortgage interest, employer-provided health care, education, medical expenses, state and local taxes, and child care — all breaks that benefit the middle class.*

“It is not mathematically possible to design a revenue-neutral plan that preserves current incentives for savings and investment and that does not result in a net tax cut for high-income taxpayers and a net tax increase for lower- and/or middle-income taxpayers,” the study concludes.*

Even if tax breaks “are eliminated in a way designed to make the resulting tax system as progressive as possible, there would still be a shift in the tax burden of roughly $86 billion [a year] from those making over $200,000 to those making less” than that.*

What would that mean for the average tax bill? Millionaires would get an $87,000 tax cut, the study says. But for 95 percent of the population, taxes would go up by about 1.2 percent, an average of $500 a year.*

The Romney campaign on Wednesday declined to address the specifics of the analysis, dismissing it as a “liberal study.” Campaign officials noted that one of the three authors, Adam Looney of Brookings, served as a senior economist on the Obama Council of Economic Advisers. The other two authors are Samuel Brown and William Gale, both of whom are affiliated with Brookings and the Tax Policy Center.*

“President Obama continues to tout liberal studies calling for more tax hikes and more government spending. We’ve been down that road before – and it’s led us to 41 straight months of unemployment above 8 percent,” said Romney campaign spokesman Ryan Williams. “It’s clear that the only plan President Obama has is more of the same. Mitt Romney believes that lower tax rates and less government will jump-start the economy and create jobs.”*

This story has been updated.*

montgomeryl@washpost.com
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Teehee, no wonder PKM hates 'Bama.

But srsly, has anyone read this article yet? Someone who knows more about politics than me should analyze it
 
I have to say, although I like a lot of other things about Romney my personal views on tax rates are much more in line with what Obama has been talking about.
 
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