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tfivas said:
Hayward for Ingram or Simmons is laughable, sets this team back years
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I'd do it in a heartbeat. I like Hayward, but if I'm being honest I think he's been an overfeatured player on a mediocre team in the past few years. If he can be traded for truly elite talent, you have to lean toward doing that deal. It's a gamble on Boston's part if they think Hayward can help recruit another FA to Boston. The Jazz would be taking advantage of the Cs gamble.
 
I think the main reason the Jazz traded Deron Williams was not because they feared he'd leave in free agency, but because they didn't want to give him a $100M 4-year max contract he was seeking. That turned out to be one of the worst contracts in the league, and I think the Jazz FO could see that coming. The rift with Sloan and the fear that DWill would leave as a free agent certainly were factors that contributed, but it was a smart-money move, imo. If the Jazz trade Hayward, it will be because they don't want to max him, and they'll choose to sell high instead.

It's a simple question: Regardless of whether Hayward wants to stay in Utah, do you want to max Hayward at $25M/year under the rising cap? Maybe he's one of our top 3 guys, so the answer is unequivocally yes, but that will be the question the Jazz will be asking themselves. Star players on rookie deals who can be extended are really, really valuable commodities.

Hayward is pretty clearly a second-tier star. He's the Joe Johnson, the Shawn Marion, etc. He'll get a max contract from someone, but will it be the Jazz?
 
Also, Hayward came up big in both the Mavs and Clippers game. Only problem his 3 point shot not falling in Mavs game but he still had an effective FG%. Same thing could easily happen to Butler and Derozen.


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Catchall said:
I think the main reason the Jazz traded Deron Williams was not because they feared he'd leave in free agency, but because they didn't want to give him a $100M 4-year max contract he was seeking. That turned out to be one of the worst contracts in the league, and I think the Jazz FO could see that coming. The rift with Sloan and the fear that DWill would leave as a free agent certainly were factors that contributed, but it was a smart-money move, imo. If the Jazz trade Hayward, it will be because they don't want to max him, and they'll choose to sell high instead.

It's a simple question: Regardless of whether Hayward wants to stay in Utah, do you want to max Hayward at $25M/year under the rising cap? Maybe he's one of our top 3 guys, so the answer is unequivocally yes, but that will be the question the Jazz will be asking themselves. Star players on rookie deals who can be extended are really, really valuable commodities.

Hayward is pretty clearly a second-tier star. He's the Joe Johnson, the Shawn Marion, etc. He'll get a max contract from someone, but will it be the Jazz?
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I think if the front office had doubts about resigning him, they would have traded him to Boston before the deadline. I think The FO knows what's on the table and they plan to act accordingly.



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The trade Hayward thing is kind of stupid tbh. Not because it's a bad idea but because our front office and owner wouldn't have the balls to do it. We didn't add any players in free agency last year because we didn't want to disrupt chemistry. I doubt they'd trade their best player for a guy who could be an all star while setting the franchise back.

I could see pressure mounting and is doing the opposite... A short term win now type move. Teague, gay, type of player for a future pick.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The trade Hayward thing is kind of stupid tbh. Not because it's a bad idea but because our front office and owner wouldn't have the balls to do it. We didn't add any players in free agency last year because we didn't want to disrupt chemistry. I doubt they'd trade their best player for a guy who could be an all star while setting the franchise back.

I could see pressure mounting and is doing the opposite... A short term win now type move. Teague, gay, type of player for a future pick.
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Which is honestly not a bad thing. It's a risk either way you look at it. What if Hayward and more support turns into a borderline contender? It's about as risky as saying simmons will lead the team to titles 7 years from now.
 
If Boston offered a top 2 pick for Hayward, you do it. No brainer.

Then if you want to have a maxed out above average role player, give Batum the max.

Exum, Mack, Neto
Hood, Burks
Batum, FA/draft pick
Favors/Simmons/Lyles
Gobert/FA

That team is just as good as last year's team if not better.

No brainer.
 
green said:
If Boston offered a top 2 pick for Hayward, you do it. No brainer.

Then if you want to have a maxed out above average role player, give Batum the max.

Exum, Mack, Neto
Hood, Burks
Batum, FA/draft pick
Favors/Simmons/Lyles
Gobert/FA

That team is just as good as last year's team if not better.

No brainer.
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Except Batum likely has multiple maxes to choose from. If it was top 2 I'd do it but not sure our front office would.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Except Batum likely has multiple maxes to choose from. If it was top 2 I'd do it but not sure our front office would.
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Then our front office is stupid.

Just like when they tried to trade Kanter for Harden and OKC said Millsap and we said no. Just stupid. If I was KOC and I offered Kanter, and OKC said, no, we want Millsap, I would have said, "Kanter and Millsap? Deal."
 
The Jazz, as currently constituted and with better health, should be a top-5 team in the west going forward. Dallas is fading. Memphis is aging and risks losing Conley. Houston needs to reboot. A healthy Jazz team is likely better than Portland. OKC's fate is up in the air depending on what KD and Westbrook plan to do.

So if the Jazz don't mind playing second fiddle to Golden State, San Antonio and the Clippers, all they need to do is stand pat. And in fact, it's unlikely that anything they do changes their standing all that much. If they want to aim higher and try to keep pace with the up-and-coming T'wolves, they likely have to be more aggressive and creative, such that trading a player like Favors or Hayward for another talent become options.
 
Real rumors:

Roc Divers, clippers GM is rumored to be breaking up the team this summer if the clips lose in the first round. This made clippers coach Doc Rivers cry post game last night when his team went down 3-2

Houston is going to be breaking up the team and starting over. Rumor is that they might keep harden, but errrbody else is probably on the table.
 
I hate the Spurs.

Pau Gasol: “Spurs would be an interesting option for me.” – via Marca.com

Okay hate is a strong word. How about I like the spurs less than every nba team, they are the only team that could make me cheer for the Lakers.
 
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