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Sorry ute fans. I feel for ya.
 
Way too conservative of an offense.

Need to run some screens, crossing routes to take advatange of receivers, and uncork some deep balls over the middle. Utah's running attack was ok. But their passing attack was way too conservative.

It would be nice to see Utah put someone away early. Instead, with their ultra conservative playcalling, they allow teams to hang around.
 
I think it's time for Whit to move on. This late season collapse is now a yearly ritual. Not only that but in a span of a few short seasons, we've seen Mike Leach and Mike McCintyre take over lesser programs and IMO, get much more out of less compared to Whit. Hell, we could hire Leach away from Wazzu tomorrow. And why shouldn't we? For as long as Whit's here, we'll be that "plucky" 8-9 win team that plays really hard, is respected by everybody, but doesn't win any PAC titles and can't figure out how to develop QB's. Hell, we can't even win the South.
 
jazzman12 said:
I think it's time for Whit to move on. This late season collapse is now a yearly ritual. Not only that but in a span of a few short seasons, we've seen Mike Leach and Mike McCintyre take over lesser programs and IMO, get much more out of less compared to Whit. Hell, we could hire Leach away from Wazzu tomorrow. And why shouldn't we? For as long as Whit's here, we'll be that "plucky" 8-9 win team that plays really hard, is respected by everybody, but doesn't win any PAC titles and can't figure out how to develop QB's. Hell, we can't even win the South.
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Hasnt Utah basically been overachieving the entire season because of the coach?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hasnt Utah basically been overachieving the entire season because of the coach?
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I don't believe that to be the case. Whit is a good coach, and he'll win 8-9 games just about every year, but if you're Utah's administration, I think it's time to talk about the fact that Utah has probably reached its ceiling under Whit.
 
jazzman12 said:
I don't believe that to be the case. Whit is a good coach, and he'll win 8-9 games just about every year, but if you're Utah's administration, I think it's time to talk about the fact that Utah has probably reached its ceiling under Whit.
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I would have thought kicking Alabama's *** in the Sugar Bowl was the ceiling, but what do I know?
 
jazzman12 said:
I don't believe that to be the case. Whit is a good coach, and he'll win 8-9 games just about every year, but if you're Utah's administration, I think it's time to talk about the fact that Utah has probably reached its ceiling under Whit.
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IDK what talent level Utah attracts compared to the top Pac-12 schools, but I'd assume it's less than, right?

Football is just so talent driven that it's hard to overcome when you get out-recruited every year by teams in your conference.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
IDK what talent level Utah attracts compared to the top Pac-12 schools, but I'd assume it's less than, right?
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I think their talent level is higher than schools like Colorado and Wazzu and obviously lower than schools like USC and UCLA. I see where you're going with your argument so let me try and lay this out as simply as possible: Whit is a fine coach who runs a good program. He's also a coach who's never been able to develop QB's, has never been able to field a competent offense since joining the PAC, and who's teams routinely fade at the end of each season. If you're Utah, I think it's fair to start the conversation about what this program can possibly be with a coach that can actually recruit/develop Quaterbacks and run an offense that puts pressure on the opposing team.

Seems like some of you feel like Utah and its fans should just be content with what we already have. IMO, Utah can be better than that.
 
bigb said:
I would have thought kicking Alabama's *** in the Sugar Bowl was the ceiling, but what do I know?
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Maybe not as much as you think? That game was a one-off. While obviously a big win and a huge moment for the program, it really has nothing to do with what Utah's year in and year out ceiling can be in regards to competing to win PAC championships.
 
jazzman12 said:
I think their talent level is higher than schools like Colorado and Wazzu and obviously lower than schools like USC and UCLA. I see where you're going with your argument so let me try and lay this out as simply as possible: Whit is a fine coach who runs a good program. He's also a coach who's never been able to develop QB's, has never been able to field a competent offense since joining the PAC, and who's teams routinely fade at the end of each season. If you're Utah, I think it's fair to start the conversation about what this program can possibly be with a coach that can actually recruit/develop Quaterbacks and run an offense that puts pressure on the opposing team.

Seems like some of you feel like Utah and its fans should just be content with what we already have. IMO, Utah can be better than that.
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Fair enough. Agree that you can't be content and have to try and get better, but at the end of the day a lot of it comes down to recruiting. Are there any coaches out there that are better than Whit? The guy has done an impressive amount of work despite not having a great place to recruit from compared to other schools in the conference.

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=Pac-12

247 ranked Utah as the 8th best recruiting class in 2016 for the PAC12. Same website had them 10th in 2015, 11th in 2014, 9th in 2013, and 8th in 2012. That is just one website, IDK if those ranking hold consistent for the other talent elevator websites, but they are usually somewhat close to each other.

If you do replace the coach, the most important thing is probably bringing someone in who can recruit, because if you want to be a top PAC12 team year after year, you have to at least recruit in the top half of the conference.
 
Because the risk of being a school like Utah who misses on HC is that you lose recruiting power and your coach is lesser than what you have. It's not like you are a big school missing on a hire who still gets recruits regardless.
 
And can the QB position really to be the blame of Utah? The guy they got this year is pretty good for being a first year and starter and Travis Wilson probably reached his talent level. He couldn't have been ranked that highly as a recruit.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Because the risk of being a school like Utah who misses on HC is that you lose recruiting power and your coach is lesser than what you have. It's not like you are a big school missing on a hire who still gets recruits regardless.
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You're 100% right about the risk involved for a school on Utah's level. You absolutely can not miss.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And can the QB position really to be the blame of Utah? The guy they got this year is pretty good for being a first year and starter and Travis Wilson probably reached his talent level. He couldn't have been ranked that highly as a recruit.
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Travis was a 4 star recruit who attended the Elite 11 QB camp.
 
jazzman12 said:
Travis was a 4 star recruit who attended the Elite 11 QB camp.
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I looked it up on ESPN and they had him rated as a "78" (3-star). That's on the high end of a 3-star for ESPN.

Rivals also has him listed as 3 star.

247 had him listed as a low 4 star.
 
well that sucked. oregon just outplayed us today. blame can go around but 21 points of offense is terrible against a team that gives up 40+ a game.

joe williams said '**** happens' at at the press conference. i say 'whitt happens'. this game reeked of his offense.

he's a good coach if you want to be competitive but nothing more. i guess that's fine for some people but when the south is well within reach and you keep falling short of that goal year after year you gotta understand fans being frustrated. ****'s getting old.
 
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