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I will admit to being surprised by the move, but I can't disagree with it. I think the 2 year break in football did the rivalry some good there - took it from unhealthy back to healthy. Maybe the same can be accomplished with a 1 year break with BYU.

As a BYU alumnus, I am ashamed and embarrassed by the childish actions of the BYU basketball and football teams. The players AND coaches should be held accountable. Kudo to the Utes for taking action. The BYU Board of Directors should be ASHAMED they didn't do anything. Yes, that's all of you, General Authorities. BYU sports is not very Christian in their actions. FINALLY they have been called to task for it. May the sports program at BYU continue to sink!
 
I don't know the real reason the utes cancelled the game but I think they are lying when they say it's due to fearing for their players safety.

How many ute players in any sport have missed games due to injury from a dirty play by a byu athlete?

Can anyone come up with even one example?
Cheap shots like that punch from behind have the potential to cause serious injury. Just because it luckily didn't is no excuse to ignore it completely. BYU has shown poor sportsmanship multiple times. The school needs to be held accountable if Holmoe and the BYU coaches are going to turn a blind eye to the incidents.
 
So don't the cheap shots from ute players have the potential for injury too?
How about the cheap shots from other teams?

Maybe all sports against all teams should be cancelled.

Ugghhh, I wasn't gonna get sucked into this, but here I go:

Here's the bottom line of the whole thing:

As a Ute fan, I'm fine with the action they've taken, and if I were a BYU fan, I would be absolutely EMBARRASSED to be associated with BYU in seeing the reactions from not only the fans, but your very own administration. I expect BYU to be unhappy about the buyout, but sheesh, by the way they're acting, it's as if they've never bought out a sporting event with an opponent. Look it up, all schools do it from time to time. It's a common practice. Not only that, we're not too far removed from Dave Rose himself insisting that if the Utah State series continued, it would have to do so in SLC because Rose wanted no part of playing up in Logan anymore.

I'm also enjoying the false outrage by Holmoe and Rose. As Larry said in his statement, he contacted Rose a couple days after the game to notify him that he was planning on canceling the 2016 game. That was a month ago. Yet here you have these guys acting like the news came out of left field, trying to drum up allies and gain victim status. Did they think Krysko was bluffing and that he didn't have the stones to actually go through with it? Either way, shame on them both for behaving the way they have when they both knew this was coming much sooner than any of us found out. Shame on Greg Wrubbel for taking to twitter calling Utah disingenuous liars who breeched a contract when the contract clearly had the option of playing the game, or paying a buyout. Play-by-Play guys are supposed to be as professional, and non-homerish as possible. 2 things Mr. Wrubbel obviously doesn't have much regard for.

And for the record, it's not about player safety. What it is about is the fact that after Emery threw the punch, he verbally accosts Taylor, then makes his way over to Krysko and yells more **** in his direction. While it's going down, the BYU bench is yelling at and berating the Utah bench and Brandon Taylor. While this is going on, what is Rose doing? What is his staff doing? Whether BYU fans want to face it or not, you guys have had a HORRIBLE string of publicity since the Miami Beach Brawl and like it or not, it's been warranted. BYU hasn't helped matters by leveling slap-on-the-wrist type of suspensions and keeping them private. Hell, Emery wasn't even punished by BYU. The 1-game suspension was levied by the WCC. And I don't want to hear: "We don't know what Rose did to Emery behind closed doors". That's ********. His actions deserved more than a few extra wind sprints after practice (that probably didn't happen anyway).

When Emery is allowed to sucker-punch an opponent and yell profanities at an opposing coach, yet doesn't miss a single game at the hands of BYU, can you blame people (especially opposing coaches) for thinking that there just might be a wee lack of institutional control? IMO, the Emery punch wasn't even as bad as the following behavior from Emery and the BYU team as a whole. You can bet that Krysko see's BYU's complete lack of action as a spit in the face, and so he decided to do what he could about it.

You have the Miami Beach Brawl, the kid from Nebraska getting his knee blown out on an unnecessary hit, Alligator rolls, the Boise State nut punch, Langi punching a ball carrier @ USU, Mika being ejected for throwing elbows against Utah in '13, and the Emery incident, and yet STILL, BYU fans and administration refuse to look inward and take accountability for what everybody else can clearly see is a troubling pattern. It's all about how Utah is the Devil, etc.

Props to Krysko for being the guy that FINALLY made BYU accountable for something.
 
False outrage really.

There is dirty stuff going on all the time, and Utah is not innocent. They are just better at hiding it or doing it where a camera or ref won't see it.

It's usually the 2nd guy that gets caught, or the guy that loses it. There's rarely just an "aggressor" and a "victim".
(I'm not saying BYU has not had a large uptick in the number of stupid plays and actions recently, because they have and it needs to stop.)

The given reason for the cancellation is just the magician trick of drawing attention one way while the real trick is going on somewhere else.

At this point I don't care about the rivalry any more. I don't care if we ever play each other again. The interest is gone and has nothing to do with what has gone on in the games, more to do with the tone and attitude from administration and fans. If you don't want to play the Y, then great. Good riddance.

I do find it pretty funny that the holier than thou attitude that Ute fans would accuse Y fans of and hated, is exactly what is being given off now in large amounts by many fans and now the Ute administration. (in general, I still know many Ute fans that don't do this)

I'll never get to Max Hall levels of outrage, but when I get to mild annoyance I just walk away.

It's not worth it.
 
Stockton and Malone (Malone damned near killed Robinson and isiah Thomas) were dirty players, the bad boy pistons were dirty players, rodman, Barkley, oakley, xavier mcdaniels, etc etc etc.
Yet teams continued to play those guys

As I pointed out in the BYU thread, this is a bad analogy.

People played the Jazz because they had to - they were in the same Conference / League.

There is no obligation for Utah to play BYU any more. We are not in the same conference. There is nothing to force that to happen.

As far as coming clean - I think he IS coming clean. The lack of institutional control is what could lead to even more drastic and harmful behavior against Utah players in the future. This is a preventative move to make it so nothing worse happens in the future. How is that NOT coming clean?

As far as big-timing BYU - I don't think that's applicable here. I can see where BYU would be offended because they think Krystko is big-timing them and that's the primary reason, but Larry has always been respectful of the rivalry in the past and knows how important it is to a lot of the people in the State.

If you think this was a move he took lightly, without thinking through all the ramifications, and knowing full well the vitrol and hate that would be spewed by the BYU faithful as a result, you are dead wrong.

I don't blame him for doing what he did - even at the same time that I don't blame BYU fans for being upset that the game is cancelled.

Lots of gray area here, and we are not in anyone's shoes. We have an outsiders perspective. I'm sure there are additional details that nobody is aware of that influenced Larry's decision. But JM12 speaks a lot of truth.

Just sayin'.
 
So who really, honestly thinks that the games won't get scheduled beyond 2016-17? I mean, come on.

A one year break is just that - a ONE year break.

This basketball rivalry will get rescheduled the following season. I don't see how it doesn't.

In light of that - aren't people overreacting just a teensie, weensie, little bit?

I have never seen such butthurt before in my life.
 
I think this is bs

Before the bowl game ute fans were saying how byu is so dirty and they shouldnt play the game out of fear of byu's dirtyness.
Leading up to the game ute players talk trash. Byu players don't. During the game byu plays clean, ute player gets ejected for multiple personal fouls.
Emery sucker punches a ute player this year. Coach K goes completely ape **** and is the most out of control person on the court after the punch. If guys would not have held him back it would have turned into a brawl.
Last year a ute player kicks a cougar in the nuts.
A byu player throws elbows and gets ejected.
A ute player hits a byu player in the face after the play a few years ago.

It's not a one sided thing. Ute players have kicked and punched byu players too.

Coach K was out of control after emerys punch and was known as a physical somewhat dirty player.

In the last few years byu has had some ugly incidents and no one is happy about it. Not byu coaches, players, or fans. But they have also had plenty of clean games and good sportsmanship and are not historically dirty and dangerous and won't necessarily be going forward.

This is a knee jerk overreaction and looks like a ***** move. And it's not only byu fans who think that. I have seen plenty of ute fans and ex ute players on social media bashing coach k and chris hill too. Kyle gunther who loves the utes and is an alum is calling this move weak, and bush league garbage.
Come on now, don't bring things like facts into this. There's no place for that here.
 
I think this is bs

Before the bowl game ute fans were saying how byu is so dirty and they shouldnt play the game out of fear of byu's dirtyness.
Leading up to the game ute players talk trash. Byu players don't. During the game byu plays clean, ute player gets ejected for multiple personal fouls.
Emery sucker punches a ute player this year. Coach K goes completely ape **** and is the most out of control person on the court after the punch. If guys would not have held him back it would have turned into a brawl.
Last year a ute player kicks a cougar in the nuts.
A byu player throws elbows and gets ejected.
A ute player hits a byu player in the face after the play a few years ago.

It's not a one sided thing. Ute players have kicked and punched byu players too.

Coach K was out of control after emerys punch and was known as a physical somewhat dirty player.

In the last few years byu has had some ugly incidents and no one is happy about it. Not byu coaches, players, or fans. But they have also had plenty of clean games and good sportsmanship and are not historically dirty and dangerous and won't necessarily be going forward.

This is a knee jerk overreaction and looks like a ***** move. And it's not only byu fans who think that. I have seen plenty of ute fans and ex ute players on social media bashing coach k and chris hill too. Kyle gunther who loves the utes and is an alum is calling this move weak, and bush league garbage.

This is a really bad post. Yea, the Ute player that was ejected hit the punter late but watch him try and let up right before hitting him and then watch your punter pull out a flop that would make Vlade Divac proud. That's a 100% different kind of play when compared to a sucker punch. Not an apples-to-apples argument and I know you know that.

The truth of the matter is that Utah doesn't want to play BYU in 2016, and so they're not going to. All of the rhetoric, butt hurt, and mudslinging has come from BYU. The sad truth is, 90% of BYU fans think like JazzSpazz: Utah and everybody else are just better at hiding the nut punches and intentional ACL tears. It's laughable the extent your fanbase will go to excuse the rash of obvious nasty behavior coming from your program in recent years. Lack of accountability is one of the biggest chicken **** traits a person can have and your fanbase and school are drowning in it.
 
This looks like Utah trying to do a power move, showing they can take the game away if they want to and fans have to beg to have it back. Beg at the feet of the all powerful Utah, we are in the PAC12, look at us. We are so special. Really pathetic school for taking this away from in-state fans. The fact that Utah ever recruited Marshall Henderson shows their values.
 
This looks like Utah trying to do a power move, showing they can take the game away if they want to and fans have to beg to have it back. Beg at the feet of the all powerful Utah, we are in the PAC12, look at us. We are so special. Really pathetic school for taking this away from in-state fans. The fact that Utah ever recruited Marshall Henderson shows their values.
Ummm... Pot meet kettle. You talk about the mighty SEC all the time. You don't really have a horse in this race anyhow.
 
I just deleted all my posts about this issue. I don't want to argue about it with my fellow jazz fanz and it doesn't really matter.
 
Ummm... Pot meet kettle. You talk about the mighty SEC all the time. You don't really have a horse in this race anyhow.

I don't understand what you mean at all. If for some reason Ole Miss or Miss State left the SEC, they would still play each other because it's an in-state rivalry that fans want to see.
 
This looks like Utah trying to do a power move, showing they can take the game away if they want to and fans have to beg to have it back. Beg at the feet of the all powerful Utah, we are in the PAC12, look at us. We are so special. Really pathetic school for taking this away from in-state fans. The fact that Utah ever recruited Marshall Henderson shows their values.

I would be fine if the two teams never played again. There is so much negativity between both fanbases. I would welcome an end to it personally.
 
Um, a guaranteed sellout and an RPI boost by beating an NCAA tourney team nearly every year.
The sellout makes no difference for me. The RPI boost is minimal. I'd much rather play a different team with similar RPI. And I'm not interested in playing them in football either. Just bad blood and very little to gain.
 
The sellout makes no difference for me. The RPI boost is minimal. I'd much rather play a different team with similar RPI. And I'm not interested in playing them in football either. Just bad blood and very little to gain.

That's fair. Nothing to gain by playing many of the schools they play in the pre conference schedule, but I guess at least you don't have the bad blood.
 
I guess I should have expected that this reached and was included in this thread, I was hoping not but understand that it should be I guess since it is Ute related.

I'm glad that JM12 brought up the Utah State thing, while I don't quite have the same exact opinions on everything in that post I definitely have been saying that too myself when ever I hear someone crying about it, which has been non stop since it broke. I understand their fans being upset that's what fans are supposed to do, I would put up with a little negativity and slander and let it slide as just fans being emotional and it being a rivalry game. I myself was initially surprised by the hole thing and knew there would be tons of back lash and negativity BUT to go on and on and on and on to the extent it has on the local radio.... now I'm glad they did it just because of how local media and fans (even if they may be the vocal minority but in this case it doesn't seem like it) and their teams employees and administration.

I think the first reason was because they saw that it seemed to have helped the football game and thought it could have the same affect to the basketball game but again after the reaction I'm starting to wonder if the close secondary reason was just to troll the local media and their fan base and their administration/employees. Here let me help, CRY HARDER maybe it will change things, I feel like I'm having to listen to a spoiled kid throw a temper tantrum in the middle of the store because their parents put away their candy or toy they wanted. *This is more directed towards what I've heard outside this thread not inside, by the media and fans and reports from their teams employees*

I even heard on the radio one of the hosts say convenient timing because they don't want to go the Provo and play, if it would've stopped there I would've been like ok not true and manipulative but that could just be his opinion but then it was followed up with a 'because they're afraid' and then a not that they might or could might they lose but stating they would lose so matter of factly that well, whether he believed it or was intentionally slandering the U to draw a reaction, that well, it did I turned the station, there was no point in calling in. Ute fans are in a no win situation, they call in to respond to that then they are told see you do care about the rivalry why this and why that why why (sounds an awful lot like crying), if they do not call in we all get told see even their fans know they're wrong. So you know what... I guess it worked because when I first heard while surprised I couldn't really careless and now it has changed to I could careless, however that will change back to couldn't careless right after this post.

Nowhere am I hearing how in football Utah's last game was played in Provo, as stated previously nowhere am I hearing about Utah St, nowhere am I.... you know what I just reached back to couldn't careless status so doesn't matter.

I'll close it with this I'm sorry that so many of their fans are hurt by this and I hope they can find it within themselves to put the hurt and trauma past them, or if you can't then cry harder and have your fans and employees continue to act like spoiled brats. At the very least this put a change in the month long local news cycle that has been nothing but non stop talk about that teams coaches leaving, to potential coaches hired to talking about the coaches being hired and so and and so forth (if this announcement soul reason was just to break that then it is worth it).
 
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