Official Utah Utes Football 2012 Thread

[UGLI baby]

What these numbers prove is that byu is not an asset to ESPN because of some mythical national following, or because byu is a recognized brand. They provide value to ESPN because they are willing to play on Wed, Thurs, and Fri nights for peanuts. It's just cheap programming for ESPN, nothing more.

ESPN is a pimp and byu is their cheap whore.

byu is ok with this (and I think they should be) because their primary concern isn't money. Its a good setup for both parties. It's just funny after hearing Zoobs claim that ESPN needs them somehow.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Holy ****!

So here we were thinking BYU was getting in excess of $1 million, possibly as much as $2 million per home game from ESPN.

WRONG.



Source: https://espn.go.com/college-footbal...ence-divided-14th-football-member-sources-say

NOTICE THE SOURCE IS ESPN.

For those that have a hard time with math, $4 million / 6 home games = $667,000 per home game. And that's if we're generous and say that the "nearly $4 million a year" is close enough to round up.

Love it.

Looooooooove it!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to leftyjace again."

It's always nice to know the facts when so many zoobs like to claim that BYU got a better deal than Utah.

 

[gregbroncs]

I don't know. But advertising revenue is largely irrelevant. The point of putting football games on BYUTV is to (a) make it available for BYU fans (who then may well contribute to the university, if you want to talk monetary value), and (b) to draw people into BYUTV who might not otherwise go there (and give those people some exposure to the church).



The only GroupOn deal I saw was for a "Cosmo Club" thing for kids, or something like that. Here's what Wikipedia says about their attendance this season so far:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_BYU_Cougars_football_team

August 30 8:15 PM Washington State LaVell Edwards Stadium • Provo, UT 57,045
September 8 1:00 PM Weber State LaVell Edwards Stadium • Provo, UT 60,314
September 15 8:00 PM at Utah Rice-Eccles Stadium • Salt Lake City, UT 45,653

(One of these numbers is not like the others. Hmm...)

Tickets for the next home game are selling for $25 - $85. Link. Looks like my $1.65 million estimate may have been low.

I don't know how to look it up. But it seems to me that the home team shares their "gate" revenue with the visitor and not the conference. Now BYU may be paying less to the POS opponents they are now scheduling but I have a hard time imagining the income is higher than it was for games that mattered against conference opponents.

The difference in the numbers you showed is that only one of those games looks like a sell out.

 

[colton]

It's just funny after hearing Zoobs claim that ESPN needs them somehow.

I haven't heard BYU fans claim that. Or at least not rational ones.

It's always nice to know the facts when so many zoobs like to claim that BYU got a better deal than Utah.

I haven't heard BYU fans claim that. Or at least not rational ones. What BYU fans think that BYU wouldn't have jumped to the Pac-12 also, if they had received an invite like Utah? (assuming no Sunday play, etc.) None that I know.

What I have heard people say, which is still very likely true, is that BYU got a much better deal from ESPN/independence than they had in the Mountain West.


And while I'm posting in this thread, can I just say that I found it very ironic that just a few days after some people (Salty?) were saying here that Utah fans don't really care about the BYU rivalry anymore because only the Pac-12 games are really important, Utah fans stormed the field not once, not twice, but three times in the victory over BYU. Guess a lot of Utah fans still care about the rivalry.

 

[UGLI baby]

@Colton

What I said about ESPN is just stuff I read on cougarboard.com or .net or whatever. We all know people who hang out on sports message boards are huge tools though, so I probly should've taken it with a grain of salt.

 

[Former Member]

I haven't heard BYU fans claim that. Or at least not rational ones.



I haven't heard BYU fans claim that. Or at least not rational ones. What BYU fans think that BYU wouldn't have jumped to the Pac-12 also, if they had received an invite like Utah? (assuming no Sunday play, etc.) None that I know.

What I have heard people say, which is still very likely true, is that BYU got a much better deal from ESPN/independence than they had in the Mountain West.


And while I'm posting in this thread, can I just say that I found it very ironic that just a few days after some people (Salty?) were saying here that Utah fans don't really care about the BYU rivalry anymore because only the Pac-12 games are really important, Utah fans stormed the field not once, not twice, but three times in the victory over BYU. Guess a lot of Utah fans still care about the rivalry.

As a Utah fan, I care a lot about the rivalry. Sports is most entertaining when I am emotionally invested. In fact, I am 100x more emotionally invested with Utah Ute sports, especially football and basketball, than I am about any pro sports.

Honestly, I think a lot of Ute fans would like to see the rivalry "go away" because it can get too emotional, not because they don't care.

 

[colton]

I don't know how to look it up. But it seems to me that the home team shares their "gate" revenue with the visitor and not the conference. Now BYU may be paying less to the POS opponents they are now scheduling but I have a hard time imagining the income is higher than it was for games that mattered against conference opponents.

I did some more searching, and couldn't find many details other than some conferences do it big time and others don't.

Here's a paper on the topic, which unfortunately isn't generally accessible: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mde.4090150509/abstract. It at least verifies that it's a common thing: "The results confirm the main theoretical proposition – conferences which share more, tend to be weaker."

Here's something that implies that the Mountain West had an equal-split revenue share, at least among some of the revenue sources, because they offered to change that for Boise State.
https://denver.sbnation.com/air-for...ealignment-bosie-state-big-east-mountain-west

Most relevant for Utah fans, here are some specific figures for the Pac-12:
https://blogs.mercurynews.com/colle...nd-basketball-the-conference-revenue-figures/

Keep in mind that the league’s annual distributions come from three primary sources:

1) BCS revenue, which was split evenly among the 10 schools after participants’ expenses.

(The expenses are factored into the distribution figures below, so Stanford’s total for 2010-11 includes the $700,000+ the league provided for the OB trip.)

2) NCAA Tournament proceeds, which were split evenly among the 10 schools after participants’ expenses, and

3) Football TV revenue, which was not split evenly (that’s changing in future years).

So maybe the Pac-12 doesn't revenue share gate receipts. But some conferences do.

Bottom line:

Distributions

Stanford: $12,419,677
Oregon: $11,427,445
Arizona: $10,785,875
Washington: $9,899,430
USC: $9,366,973
UCLA: $9,258,100
Oregon State: $7,633,219
Cal: $7,609,154
ASU: $7,362,087
WSU: $6,765,558

The difference in the numbers you showed is that only one of those games looks like a sell out.

Must be galling that BYU can still get 13,000+ more fans to their non sell out games than Utah can to their sell outs. And that 20,000 more people got to watch last year's BYU-Utah game in person than this year's.

 

[UGLI baby]

I want to see the rivalry "go away" for 2 reasons.

1) It will drive byu fans crazy and it gives us the ultimate edge on trash talk. We kicked your ace then kicked you to the curb.

2) Utah doesnt gain much out of the rivalry other than entertainment. We have a full PAC 12 schedule, we don't need to play an emotionally draining game against byu every year.

 

[bigb]

And while I'm posting in this thread, can I just say that I found it very ironic that just a few days after some people (Salty?) were saying here that Utah fans don't really care about the BYU rivalry anymore because only the Pac-12 games are really important, Utah fans stormed the field not once, not twice, but three times in the victory over BYU. Guess a lot of Utah fans still care about the rivalry.

I had this same thought earlier this week. Actions speak louder than words, and that action spoke very loudly.

 

[colton]

What I said about ESPN is just stuff I read on cougarboard.com or .net or whatever. We all know people who hang out on sports message boards are huge tools though, so I probly should've taken it with a grain of salt.

 

[colton]

We have a full PAC 12 schedule, we don't need to play an emotionally draining game against byu every year.

Of course you don't NEED to. But anyone who says that Utah fans don't WANT the game just needs to watch the "rush the field" tape to be proven wrong. Too bad Chris Hill apparently doesn't factor that into his equation.

 

[Former Member]

By the Way, I just wanted to say that I am stoked to see the: (4-1) Utah Utes vs. (2-1) Arizona State Sun Devils this weekend!

One of my best friends is an Arizona State alumni. He's been giving me a hard time for a full year. I'm hoping for some retribution.

 

[Former Member]

Must be galling that BYU can still get 13,000+ more fans to their non sell out games than Utah can to their sell outs. And that 20,000 more people got to watch last year's BYU-Utah game in person than this year's.

Yeah, we definitely need a bigger stadium.

 

[UGLI baby]

Would you rather go to a party with 40 people, all of them dudes. Or a party with 30 people, half of them hot chicks?

 

[SaltyDawg]

I haven't heard BYU fans claim that. Or at least not rational ones. What BYU fans think that BYU wouldn't have jumped to the Pac-12 also, if they had received an invite like Utah? (assuming no Sunday play, etc.) None that I know.

What I have heard people say, which is still very likely true, is that BYU got a much better deal from ESPN/independence than they had in the Mountain West.


And while I'm posting in this thread, can I just say that I found it very ironic that just a few days after some people (Salty?) were saying here that Utah fans don't really care about the BYU rivalry anymore because only the Pac-12 games are really important, Utah fans stormed the field not once, not twice, but three times in the victory over BYU. Guess a lot of Utah fans still care about the rivalry.

I've heard plenty of morons claim that BYU got the better deal. Nice to see that at least some rational people follow BYU sports.

On the storming the field, I wouldn't read too much into it for a couple of reasons.
1: I doubt the fans would have stormed the field if the final score was 54-10.
2: If the Utes win any of their Pac 12 games, or even the non conference games for that matter, in the same manner (on the last play of the game), you can probably expect the fans to storm the field then too. They didn't storm the field just because it was BYU, they stormed the field because the Utes had just won an awesome game (while they were underdogs and missing half the team, at midnight on a Saturday night, after tailgating all day).

 

[CONAN]

Utah's Bitch getting all defensive.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[CONAN]

Utes fans putting the almighty dollar first? What a surprise.

As I've always said, it's never been about money at BYU and anyone that thinks so is pretty dumb. But go ahead and chase the almighty dollar to your heart's content.

That deal is about exposure and you can't beat the exposure and opportunity a contract with ESPN gives you. But Utes will never know that feeling. You coattailed BYU for decades and now you can coattail the pac-12, who wishes they would've picked someone else. And it's funny they don't even have to pay full share yet. That's a slap in the face.

Ute fans getting their stupid on.

 

[UGLI baby]

ECHO echo ECHO echo

 

[CONAN]

It's hard to keep up with all the stupidity.

 

[Bronco70]

In the case of Utah, who gets none of my tithing dollars, the money IS important. It's important to the football program, to the whole athletics program, and important to the whole institution. I guess if you want to look at that as somehow dishonorable, that's your prerogative.

On the other side of the coin, BYU's ESPN deal was a huge upgrade. Comparing the two is just another apples v. oranges discussion, because the two programs are so radically different in approach and philosophy.