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Omnibus Gordon Hayward Thread (To clean up the Board some)

Correction...he doesnt want a MAX..he IS getting a Max..yeah, Im sure all of us would say..wait, no, please that's too much....
 
franklin said:
I don't really care if Hayward stays or goes, but some y'all (pointing at you, GVC) need to realize that overpaying players is a utility. Teams like the Lakers use it well while everyone else ignores the advantages. A $10,000,000 Parsons can be traded for a $15,000,000 player. A $17,000,000 Hayward can be traded for a true max superstar.
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And why couldn't a $12M/yr Hayward be traded along with filler for a true max superstar?
 
The Jazz will not match. Remember my little visit with Jerry Sloan? Not to sound like a tool, but I suddenly find myself with a very good "insider" (not Jerry, duh) who is more than willing to share their info.

Quote this and tell me I'm an idiot, or whatever, but you heard it here first: DL put the bait out there, MJ took it, and now all is well. We will not match Hayward.

Just thought you'd all like to know.
 
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akirac73 said:
And why couldn't a $12M/yr Hayward be traded along with filler for a true max superstar?
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I know if i were okc and looking to trade durant i would think:

12 million dollar hayward plus filler > 16 million dollar hayward.
 
E.J. Wells said:
The Jazz will not match. Remember my little visit with Jerry Sloan? Not to sound like a tool, but I suddenly find myself with a very good "insider" (not Jerry, duh) who is more than willing to share their info.

Quote this and tell me I'm an idiot, or whatever, but you heard it here first: DL put the bait out there, MJ took it, and now all is well. We will not match Hayward.

Just thought you'd all like to know.
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A fun story. But why wouldn't DL simply try to work a trade earlier on if he knew Gtime was history? What's in it for Utah if he gets paid by Charlotte?


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Dear Crybabies, Let Me Poop in Your Pool

Parsons is going to get 15 + mm a yr with the Mavs. Hayward is the better all around player, and is the guy we drafted. Hayward's 16mm yr and Parsons 15 mm yr is what happens when the cap explodes, coupled with more than half the league having money to spend.


Dry your eyes, go get a bucket, and scoop out my turd before it starts to separate.

:)
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
A fun story. But why wouldn't DL simply try to work a trade earlier on if he knew Gtime was history? What's in it for Utah if he gets paid by Charlotte?


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I have no idea who, what, where, or why, just that they aren't matching. If you look at it from this point of view, DL was a master poker player, timed his "statements" (that he may or may not have said) perfectly, and got rid of a guy whom we all know has performed well below expectations. It has been fun reading this thread though, especially all the morons (sojodave) who think DL is soooooo stupid!!1, when in reality, he has kicked major quantities of *** so far. As a fan base, we're not used to this kind covert shenanigan. I approve.
 
franklin said:
I don't really care if Hayward stays or goes, but some y'all (pointing at you, GVC) need to realize that overpaying players is a utility. Teams like the Lakers use it well while everyone else ignores the advantages.
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1. The Jazz have not historically been a team that could consistently go way into LT territory. The Lakers, Blazers, Nets, Knicks, Mavs, etc. are in a different league in terms of the potential damage of acquiring/signing players for way above their on-court value.

2. With contracts capped at 4 or 5 years, why would a team trade a true superstar for a wildly overpaid role player? Precedent?

3. What the hell is a "utility"?
 
E.J. Wells said:
The Jazz will not match. Remember my little visit with Jerry Sloan? Not to sound like a tool, but I suddenly find myself with a very good "insider" (not Jerry, duh) who is more than willing to share their info.

Quote this and tell me I'm an idiot, or whatever, but you heard it here first: DL put the bait out there, MJ took it, and now all is well. We will not match Hayward.

Just thought you'd all like to know.
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Why did DL need to bait someone into taking him off our hands?
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];866950 said:
Why did DL need to bait someone into taking him off our hands?
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Push up the price everyone has to pay for guys like Parson $15millionlolz? Waste everyone's cap space then swoop in for the bargains.
 
Meh, not reading through all of this. Sorry if the points have been made.
I think that we have a very comparable player in Burks, so the marginal utility value of Hayward to us is not worth a max contract. We are going to move toward two talented point guards and a pick and roll game which puts Hayward on the wing waiting to shoot a 3. He can do that and do it well. That job is not worth a max contract. I'm not convinced Hood can't do that for us.
He can initiate the offense which sets him apart. We don't need him to do that.
I wonder if the jazz can finagle a sign and trade that gets rid of that trade kicker, which I don't suppose the Hornets really want either. That 4th year player option is useless as Hayward isn't going to get more than 18 million that the 4th year will give him. I doubt we can get much because the Hornets want Hayward to pair with MKG.
I just don't see a reason to keep him at that contract. I mean sometime you have to bite the bullet and overpay on potential, but I think Hayward is the one guy that we actually know enough to judge and he isn't valuable at that salary to us. He's a difference maker in the East. Here, not so much. . .
If we don't match, I want Marvin Williams back though.
 
franklin said:
Hayward is considered a top 50 player in the league. Such hyperbole...
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pretty sure you are trolling

Hayward was ranked 90th in the league from what somebody posted earlier.

You funny
 
GVC said:
2. With contracts capped at 4 or 5 years, why would a team trade a true superstar for a wildly overpaid role player? Precedent?
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This is what i have been saying

Franklin is trolling
 
framer said:
Meh, not reading through all of this. Sorry if the points have been made.
I think that we have a very comparable player in Burks, so the marginal utility value of Hayward to us is not worth a max contract. We are going to move toward two talented point guards and a pick and roll game which puts Hayward on the wing waiting to shoot a 3. He can do that and do it well. That job is not worth a max contract. I'm not convinced Hood can't do that for us.
He can initiate the offense which sets him apart. We don't need him to do that.
I wonder if the jazz can finagle a sign and trade that gets rid of that trade kicker, which I don't suppose the Hornets really want either. That 4th year player option is useless as Hayward isn't going to get more than 18 million that the 4th year will give him. I doubt we can get much because the Hornets want Hayward to pair with MKG.
I just don't see a reason to keep him at that contract. I mean sometime you have to bite the bullet and overpay on potential, but I think Hayward is the one guy that we actually know enough to judge and he isn't valuable at that salary to us. He's a difference maker in the East. Here, not so much. . .
If we don't match, I want Marvin Williams back though.
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Well said.

I'm still torn on matching/declining. Fingers crossed for a sign-and-trade.
 
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