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Omnibus Gordon Hayward Thread (To clean up the Board some)

Hayward = sign and trade !!!!

Match Hornets offer than trade Hayward, Kanter and Exum for BIG-AL Jefferson... I do not know, if Hornets would do this, but they have the worst general manager in NBA. So maybe their is some hope ?

What about you ?
 
I am new here and I don't know people's personalities, but I seriously hope you are joking...
 
phew!
CAKAR = no GM of the Jazz
a bullet dodged.

You have to give Jazz a secound round pick, for that offer to be acceptable.
:)
 
Tarkanian said:
phew!
CAKAR = no GM of the Jazz
a bullet dodged.

You have to give Jazz a secound round pick, for that offer to be acceptable.
:)
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I would give up 50 percent of our cap space to sign BIG-AL again, bro. He was arguably the best player the Utah Jazz ever had. We let him walk, to "develop" some losers like Enes "Sacre" and "Kwame" Favors....
 
GVC said:
I am considering them, which is why I'm torn. Dallas and Charlotte have shown a willingness to pay max money for Parsons and Hayward, which complicates things a bit.

1. If you make a habit of massively overpaying players, assuming some other team will bail you out if you get into trouble, you may end up with a treadmill team and few options outside a complete rebuild. This hasn't been as big a problem for large market teams because they're less concerned about going into the LT AND other teams' players demanding trades toward the end of their contracts will gladly agree to re-sign there. Utah faces much stricter financial and trade market constraints.

2. Kevin Love wants out, and will only re-sign with a small subset of teams. Utah is unlikely to ever make a top player's list of places they'll re-sign. Klay is both a better off-ball player and better on-ball defender than Gordo. Gordo + spare parts might not get you much. As stated above, that there are 2 teams willing to sign players of this caliber to max deals may be a sign that Gordo could be moved for decent assets. Still, just today Boston collected a 1st round pick and a young rotation big for cap space. Cleveland and Houston are probably still looking for ways to shed salary, and other teams may surface in the next year+. I'm hoping the Jazz can work a sign-and-trade.
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I agree with you on letting him walk but it's a much closer decision than you make it out to be. Hayward is a much better facilitator than we give him credit for. You focus on his spot up and off-dribble shots too much, and he is bad, but that shouldn't be his role. He improved his driving vision last year a ton but has turnover issues. He had never needed to do those things and had a tough learning curve in a crappy system, with poor read-react players at best, & on a team that I thought clearly gave up. He's a step behind reading his drive passes and that will improve, especially with the benefit of a true system and good players. He is a much better 3rd option than we give him credit for, not ideal, but much better. He could be a great 3rd option on a deep 5 man unit with a solid bench.

You're also abusing massively overpaid, as I've shown. Do a quick revenue calculation, add in about 500,000,000 in new annual tv revenue, then recalculate that cap a few years down the road. There's a reason multiple teams aren't hesitating to give him way more money than anyone thinks is close to reasonable.
 
franklin said:
You're also abusing massively overpaid, as I've shown. Do a quick revenue calculation, add in about 500,000,000 in new annual tv revenue, then recalculate that cap a few years down the road. There's a reason multiple teams aren't hesitating to give him way more money than anyone thinks is close to reasonable.
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The new TV deal is 2 years away. Will the extra revenue affect the cap starting in 2016/17 or 2017/18? If it's the latter, Gordo will opt out, and the jump in the cap will make virtually no difference. The projected cap for next season (2015/16) is $66.5mm, an increase of only $3.3mm over the 2014/15 cap. Presumably, if the TV revenue only starts affecting the cap in 2017/18, the 2016/17 cap will be around $70mm. Hayward will continue to take up over 20% of the cap through the third season of his deal.

I doubt the Jazz are going to be contending in the next 3 seasons. As such, the relevant comparison is projected value of Gordo in trades and/or as a player on his next contract vs. projected value of the cap space and improved draft pick (plus anything the Jazz acquire in a sign-and-trade).
 
GVC said:
The new TV deal is 2 years away. Will the extra revenue affect the cap starting in 2016/17 or 2017/18? If it's the latter, Gordo will opt out, and the jump in the cap will make virtually no difference. The projected cap for next season (2015/16) is $66.5mm, an increase of only $3.3mm over the 2014/15 cap. Presumably, if the TV revenue only starts affecting the cap in 2017/18, the 2016/17 cap will be around $70mm. Hayward will continue to take up over 20% of the cap through the third season of his deal.

I doubt the Jazz are going to be contending in the next 3 seasons. As such, the relevant comparison is projected value of Gordo in trades and/or as a player on his next contract vs. projected value of the cap space and improved draft pick (plus anything the Jazz acquire in a sign-and-trade).
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I thought the TV deal was sooner, but at the end of the day it won't matter. KOC dodged the Boozer atrocity and DL will dodge this one.

Back to the original problem, there's nobody to fleece for picks ATM. Almost time to bump the cap rental thread.
 
franklin said:
Back to the original problem, there's nobody to fleece for picks ATM. Almost time to bump the cap rental thread.
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You seemed to be of that opinion before Boston landed a rotation big and a 1st round pick for taking on an expiring contract today. Kevin Love is still out there, and other opportunities may arise. Letting Gordo go is risky for sure, and I'm not sold on it being the best course of action if a sign-and-trade can't be worked out. I won't be upset no matter how this plays out. It's just hard to swallow paying 2 average starters >40% of the cap.
 
Match Hornets offer than trade Hayward, Kanter and Exum for BIG-AL Jefferson... I do not know, if Hornets would do this, but they have the worst general manager in NBA. So maybe their is some hope ?

What about you ?
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I would give up 50 percent of our cap space to sign BIG-AL again, bro. He was arguably the best player the Utah Jazz ever had. We let him walk, to "develop" some losers like Enes "Sacre" and "Kwame" Favors....
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CAKAR? Seriously my friend are you on crack or what? Big Al was far from a nobody player, but to even hint that he was "the best player the Utah Jazz ever had", is dumbness that knows no bounds. Dude, quit following basketball , now, before someone hurts themselves laughing, or worse, from taking you serious.

Above quotes win my vote as lamest posts ever seen on this board, because i think the guy is serious. Or have i been duped by "sarcasm" again?
 
GVC said:
You seemed to be of that opinion before Boston landed a rotation big and a 1st round pick for taking on an expiring contract today. Kevin Love is still out there, and other opportunities may arise. Letting Gordo go is risky for sure, and I'm not sold on it being the best course of action if a sign-and-trade can't be worked out. I won't be upset no matter how this plays out. It's just hard to swallow paying 2 average starters >40% of the cap.
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I'm mainly caught up in finding options with this Hayward deal. I don't want to lose Hayward for nothing. I don't want to get better next season. I don't see any cap rental opportunities since so many teams have gobs of money and the big markets don't have picks to give. The competing teams that could plausibly get better have nothing to give.

Seems to me like we're stuck on the treadmill until everyone fills their rosters, and then probably until the trade deadline. And we're stuck with no return for Hayward unless he finds somewhere else he wants to live that doesn't have cap room.
 
I feel like most teams who signed their rookies to max deals as of late have mainly regretted it--George and Aldridge being the exceptions.


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