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Out-groups and berhaviors, stemming from joking about rape

If somebody is gonna make an example out of Brow I vote it be Chris.

/wouldnotrape


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One Brow said:
If the blaming of rape victims were the province of fringe groups, I would agree with you. However, blaming the victims is the common response, not the fringe response, for rape. For example, in the Steubenville case, how often did you hear the the girl in question should not have gone to the party, should not have been drinking, etc.

By "facts", are you looking for studies of this phenomena of some sort?
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Basically soemthing more then you just saying that is the case. You don't ever allow others touse things they see commonly so why should you get to use that method?

Provide evidence. Research papers, studies...
 
One Brow said:
If the blaming of rape victims were the province of fringe groups, I would agree with you. However, blaming the victims is the common response, not the fringe response, for rape. For example, in the Steubenville case, how often did you hear the the girl in question should not have gone to the party, should not have been drinking, etc.

By "facts", are you looking for studies of this phenomena of some sort?
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Granted, I've only known two people that have been raped (thankfully) and I've heard of many others. The weird thing is, I've yet to hear about anyone actually blaming the person who got raped. I know it does happen, but for you to say that it is the "common response" I have to really wonder what the hell they're doing over in Chicago...
 
From what I can tell blaming the victim is a common response from the rapist. What do you expect a world full of rapists that empathize with their victims?
 
Stoked said:
Basically soemthing more then you just saying that is the case. You don't ever allow others touse things they see commonly so why should you get to use that method?

Provide evidence. Research papers, studies...
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I went to Google scholar and searched on "rape victim blaming". Over 53,000 hits. Just from the first page:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-6402.1990.tb00024.x/abstract

https://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/84/1/111/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...sCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-1816.1994.tb01571.x/abstract

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-6494.1979.tb00209.x/abstract
 
E.J. Wells said:
I know it does happen, but for you to say that it is the "common response" I have to really wonder what the hell they're doing over in Chicago...
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Look up how news commentators respond to any well-publicized rape. One example I already mentioned was the Steubenville case. Would you like more? How many?

Metro-East St. Louis.
 
One Brow said:
Women do. If, in a person's subjective opinion, you raped them, then you raped them.
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Wait, what?

Let's say that I'm reading the signs of a first date incorrectly and I go in for a doorstep kiss and get denied, she can presumably, er, subjectively think that I was raping or attempting to rape her, right? She's fine to think that, whatever, but if she decided to press charges? I get what you're saying, but at what point is it absurd?

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E.J. Wells said:
Let's say that I'm reading the signs of a first date incorrectly and I go in for a doorstep kiss and get denied, she can presumably, er, subjectively think that I was raping or attempting to rape her, right? She's fine to think that, whatever, but if she decided to press charges? I get what you're saying, but at what point is it absurd?
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At the point where someone confused "no mean no" with "rape", in your example. Has your example happened?
 
One Brow said:
Look up how news commentators respond to any well-publicized rape. One example I already mentioned was the Steubenville case. Would you like more? How many?

Metro-East St. Louis.
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The same phenomenon exists in murder and accidents. I'm just asking for consistency.

Since you're getting all anecdotal on us, good friend this last summer was killed by a distracted driver doing a U-turn on a two-lane highway. Friend was on a motorcycle, no helmet, and couldn't avoid the other car. Internet threads, predictably, went off on him for not wearing a helmet. "What did he expect?" "How irresponsible." etc.

Mother of 3 in our neighborhood last month killed by drunk driver. "What we she doing out at 2am?"

Less serious crimes, too. Had a tool-box stolen from a garage. Cop told me that I really should keep the garage door closed or keep the valuables inside.
 
One Brow said:
Look up how news commentators respond to any well-publicized rape. One example I already mentioned was the Steubenville case. Would you like more? How many?

Metro-East St. Louis.
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200,000+ sexual assault victims every year in the US, so I'd say 99,999 more examples should suffice to support your "common response" claim.
 
bordelais7 said:
200,000+ sexual assault victims every year in the US, so I'd say 99,999 more examples should suffice to support your "common response" claim.
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Since the majority of sex crimes go unreported and thus cannot be blamed on the victim, I'm 99.9% sure you're up in the night on this one.
 
One Brow said:
The way that comparing Bush/Obama to Hitler elevates the actual complaint about them, by acknowledging the brutality of Hitler?
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Obviously it isn't about making Hilter seem less bad when people compare someone to him. It's a way of calling someone the worst possible human being on planet earth. In no way does it lesson societies low opinion of Hitler.

So in short, Yeah, I think you're starting to get it.
 
"They say Bush is like Hitler, and this whole time I thought Hitler was a bad guy."

said no one ever
 
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