Granger's PPG and FG% are already on the decline. I'm not really interested in a leading scorer who shoots 42.5% from the field.
Pacers Making Play at Millsap?
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Granger's PPG and FG% are already on the decline. I'm not really interested in a leading scorer who shoots 42.5% from the field.
Change it to from Granger to Paul George. At least with George we know there's potential for future improvement (even though his 3pt% scares me -- less than 30%). With Granger, we're pretty certain we'd be getting a low-percentage high-volume shooter. Hill and George would help Jazz defense, but Millsap would still be the best player in the deal.
jazzmailman
Active Member
Realistically, we're looking at trading Millsap for B Rush/McRoberts + draft picks + fillers.
Indy isn't going to give up Granger, not when it is still in 'getting-in-playoff-mode'
Paul George is viewed as a potential superstar (and he very well might be). Hibbert probably isn't going anywhere either, it's hard to find a decent big man let alone a mobile 7'2 one.
Collison is a maybe, but I can't see it because Pacers spent so much time looking for PG in the past few years. As an UCLA alum, i've watched a great deal of Collison. He performed admirably in his rookie year when CP3 was hurt, and had 3 coaches within 2 years, I dont think Indy is ready to give up on him yet. Not to mention he plays very good defense that is often overlooked (he was hurt during the playoff last year).
Oh, and they just traded for George Hill, highly doubt they're going to give him up without seeing how he performs first.
Indy isn't going to give up Granger, not when it is still in 'getting-in-playoff-mode'
Paul George is viewed as a potential superstar (and he very well might be). Hibbert probably isn't going anywhere either, it's hard to find a decent big man let alone a mobile 7'2 one.
Collison is a maybe, but I can't see it because Pacers spent so much time looking for PG in the past few years. As an UCLA alum, i've watched a great deal of Collison. He performed admirably in his rookie year when CP3 was hurt, and had 3 coaches within 2 years, I dont think Indy is ready to give up on him yet. Not to mention he plays very good defense that is often overlooked (he was hurt during the playoff last year).
Oh, and they just traded for George Hill, highly doubt they're going to give him up without seeing how he performs first.
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Then we just shouldn't even consider trading Millsap to Indy.
NotDeadYet
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No way KoC is gonna trade Millsap for a draft choice and reserves. He's gonna want an established player in return.
For us, yeah, of course we'd prefer George over Granger, but Indy ain't doin' that.
As far as Hill goes, I'd take AJ Price and a #1 instead. Price actually played well for them. Always gotta have options when trying to trade...
For us, yeah, of course we'd prefer George over Granger, but Indy ain't doin' that.
As far as Hill goes, I'd take AJ Price and a #1 instead. Price actually played well for them. Always gotta have options when trying to trade...
Are you sure you've got that the right way round?? Do you seriously prefer George over Granger?? George has some nice upsides sure.. but enough to prefer him over Granger?? Really??
Granger is not young, George is 21. Granger is owed $40 million, George is practically free. The Jazz are rebuilding.
George over Granger. It's a ****ing no-brainer.
George is the Pacer's equivalent to Hayward. He had some nice games, and a good ending to the season (his D on Rose). He is now overly hyped. I honestly don't think he is that great, but Pacer's fans are up in arms in about how great he will be.
In 5 years, Granger might not even be starting anymore and paid $40+ million up to that point. On the Jazz, he'd be paid to take developmental time away from younger players and be his best when it mattered least.
In 5 years, if Paul George is the same player, you've paid him squat and that's it.
In two years, Granger is 30.
30 is usually when perimeter players hit a wall in their ability. Some find ways to adapt and stay good, none improve.
That's George's downside and Granger's realistic projected appraisal. If George ends up being Granger 2.0 - which he could - then that's massive upside.
Guitaro
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What if that wind is generated by a fan in a small, enclosed room?
heheheI really like Millsap, but I think if we can bring back more value than he's worth then the Jazz would do it. They've always said, "if it makes the team better, we'll consider it." A quality PG, picks and cash might be enough to pull the trigger. Look at the Deron trade. That was uber, and hard to believe, but still happened.
Guitaro
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To quote this article:
https://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33567311
It goes on from there, but the article makes it sound like the Pacers want to win now. Granger is getting older and their window for winning with him is getting slimmer. Plus, it is possible because Nene sounds like he does want out of Denver:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_...YF?slug=mc-spears_nene_nba_free_agents_112911
Therefore, it's possible Indiana could trade Hibbert for Millsap and then sign Nene as Hibbert's replacement. If the Jazz were to get Hibbert, then do we trade AJ as well or instead trade with a 3rd team for a starting PG package? Maybe the Jazz could include Harris in the deal and obtain Collison? He's not ideal but he is a better passer and just as good a scorer. Although, he is pretty short, young and makes mistakes. Yet, this whole team is young and will make plenty of mistakes. Seems perfect. lol
https://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33567311
It goes on from there, but the article makes it sound like the Pacers want to win now. Granger is getting older and their window for winning with him is getting slimmer. Plus, it is possible because Nene sounds like he does want out of Denver:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_...YF?slug=mc-spears_nene_nba_free_agents_112911
Therefore, it's possible Indiana could trade Hibbert for Millsap and then sign Nene as Hibbert's replacement. If the Jazz were to get Hibbert, then do we trade AJ as well or instead trade with a 3rd team for a starting PG package? Maybe the Jazz could include Harris in the deal and obtain Collison? He's not ideal but he is a better passer and just as good a scorer. Although, he is pretty short, young and makes mistakes. Yet, this whole team is young and will make plenty of mistakes. Seems perfect.
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Gyp Rosetti
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Do we even want Hibbert? I love his size but I seem to remember a lot of people on this board knocking him for certain defensive metrics as a rookie and about how slow he was to rotate. Also, how would the addition of Hibbert affect the development, or should I say playing time, for Favors and Kanter? On the surface, I like it. I'm just not sure though.
I have a love/hate with Hibbert. On one hand he is 7'3, that is huge and his offensive game is diverse. On the other hand his is slow as hell and would make Al Jefferson look like Amare Stoudemaire.
This. If Hibbert is coming off the bench as your 4th big. You are pretty good. But all in all I would rather have millsap and/or jefferson.
billyshelby
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I'm not entirely sure about this, but the other downside to Hibbert is he's one year away from his RFA. And if I understand the new CBA correctly, he'll be entitled to a higher QO because he meets prescribed qualifiers (starts/minutes). So you get him for this year, and then next year his price goes up substantially. My take on Hibbert is he's one of those guys you love to underpay for, but don't want to get caught having to overpay.
NAOS
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I'd hang up the phone on a Hibbert for Millsap trade. The only trades I'd consider would be for starting-caliber, young SFs and/or PGs.
There is very little benefit in swapping a savvy veteran team leader for another big, and zero value in swapping him for bench players and mid-first picks. For me, when it comes to Millsap, the discussion with indy comes down to George and Collison or nothing.
There is very little benefit in swapping a savvy veteran team leader for another big, and zero value in swapping him for bench players and mid-first picks. For me, when it comes to Millsap, the discussion with indy comes down to George and Collison or nothing.
NAOS
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if the Pacers really want to win in their Granger-window, then why not throw out this trade?
https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7joxzzq
Utah sends: Jefferson & Harris
Indy sends: Hibbert & Collison & Posey
If Hibbert agrees to an extension beforehand, then Utah gives a future pick.
Indy gets two experienced vets that know how to produce. Harris seems like a nice fit in an offense that can be dominated by Granger and George.
Utah also sheds enough salary that they can go after an FA.
Does Indy hang up? Why?
https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7joxzzq
Utah sends: Jefferson & Harris
Indy sends: Hibbert & Collison & Posey
If Hibbert agrees to an extension beforehand, then Utah gives a future pick.
Indy gets two experienced vets that know how to produce. Harris seems like a nice fit in an offense that can be dominated by Granger and George.
Utah also sheds enough salary that they can go after an FA.
Does Indy hang up? Why?
orangello
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Two things
First, this trade doesn't affect the win total for the Pacers at all.
Second, they are still stuck without a productive PF. So basically, Indiana adds payroll and an upgrade at PG (debatable) but they still have a hole at PF. It doesn't make sense to me.
NAOS
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yeah, I like it less than when I posted it. I'm not that interested in it for the Jazz, actually. Just an idea....