Paris under attack

[MVP]

Holy ****. You realize there are millions of Muslims currently living in the US, right? Those won't be the first 4 Muslims in the US. So it's too late! The Rapist gene is already spread among us! And we thought the black violence gene is the biggest danger to society!

Come on Siro you understand what I mean. 1470% rape increase in Sweden is obviously related to immigrants from Africa and Middle East. They may not be all Muslim for all I care. Problem is they all are coming from different ages and cultures where women are treated worse then animals. It is naive to expect them to change just because we welcome them to Western countries. Honor killings, female circumcisions, arranged marriages are common and keep happening in USA, Canada and Western Europe - you sure know about it.

 

[MVP]

lmao... I'm being naive??? Why don't you look into the realities of emigrants from Syria at this moment in history and get back to me. When you do, I'd like to know how much you'd like to be forced out of a country that has such an undesirable passport.

Yes you are naive. You trying to tell me that real Syrian passport for decent Syrian person would make him less likely to get refugee status then false passport of Greece? Please correct me but how many Greek refugees are right now trying to enter Western countries compared to Syrian?
I stand by my word that if people falsify passports they are hiding some criminal past and should never ever be allowed to enter as refugees. How the heck you can even check their identity and where they are coming from if all they have is false ID???

 

[NAOS]

Yes you are naive. You trying to tell me that real Syrian passport for decent Syrian person would make him less likely to get refugee status then false passport of Greece? Please correct me but how many Greek refugees are right now trying to enter Western countries compared to Syrian?
I stand by my word that if people falsify passports they are hiding some criminal past and should never ever be allowed to enter as refugees. How the heck you can even check their identity and where they are coming from if all they have is false ID???

Why don't you tell me the answers to your questions? I mean, you're the perfectly informed person here.

 

[Siro]

Come on Siro you understand what I mean. 1470% rape increase in Sweden is obviously related to immigrants from Africa and Middle East. They may not be all Muslim for all I care. Problem is they all are coming from different ages and cultures where women are treated worse then animals. It is naive to expect them to change just because we welcome them to Western countries. Honor killings, female circumcisions, arranged marriages are common and keep happening in USA, Canada and Western Europe - you sure know about it.

Arranged marriages and female circumcision are not Muslim problems. Or is this just another one of your diatribes against multiculturalism? If so, it is not really relevant to the subject, and I'm not all that interested in engaging in it as previous attempts were fruitless.

Honor killings is a a common problem in the US? This is the first I've heard of it. According to a quick Google search, there have been only a handful of documented cases in the past half century. In other words, the total number of honor killings add up to fewer than your average school shooting. School shootings happen every other week it seems, and they are almost exclusively committed by white people. It is the failure of introducing European culture to the previously school-shooting-free Native American culture. Now let's talk about serial killers.

See? Anyone can pick and choose ridiculous stats to make a ridiculous argument.

 

[Gameface]

Rather be safe then sorry IMHO. Somehow I doubt that people who use stolen and falsified passports are going to become decent citizens and obey the laws in their new country. May not be carrying any terrorism attacks but may just rob and rape like a lot of them do in Sweden.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Answer me this: Would you sleep well knowing that refugees with false passports just moved into your neighborhood?

I'm going to confess something...

I'm a law breaker.

The speed limit was 45mph but I actually got up to 60mph,

It's too late for me now so I think I'm probably gonna rape and rob my way through life from now on.

 

[MVP]

I'm going to confess something...

I'm a law breaker.

The speed limit was 45mph but I actually got up to 60mph,

It's too late for me now so I think I'm probably gonna rape and rob my way through life from now on.

Ridiculous example. Nobody would falsify passport for speeding violation.

 

[MVP]

Sweden was welcoming refugees and asylum seekers for years. It is proven huge failure. We have a saying in our country - you let pig in the church it will get on the altar. Is this what all you naive people want in your countries as well?

 

[Gameface]

Ridiculous example. Nobody would falsify passport for speeding violation.

Right, they would falsify passports to get into a country they currently cannot. The falsifying of passports is about as serious as a speeding violation, imho, and is not an indication that a person intends to rape and rob.

 

[MVP]

Watch this and tell me it is not a failure. It will never work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRS0RTgsJN4

 

[mellow]

Can I ask a question? Like a real question, that is not set up for debate, or trolling for an argument.

why did Isis attack civilians in France? The French president said something like isis targeted young people because they hated French being alive and happy. Which to me sounds as hollow as the USA narrative after 9-11 "they hate us because we are free"

the French response has been predictable, surely Isis could also predict what the French would do. And I just can't see what Isis has to gain by trying it.

I read an article from someone who was probably sitting in a desk in New York or Washington, D.C. there the author said Isis wants to entice the west into a war in hopes of uniting the Muslim world against west for what amounts to WWIII.

I suppose I am suspicious of these explanations and wondered if they match what Isis people are saying or if there is a more complex explanation.

 

[Siro]

Watch this and tell me it is not a failure. It will never work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRS0RTgsJN4

Dude. It's ALREADY WORKED. The West has been multicultural for centuries now.

Listen, religion in general is not a good thing. Modern Islam least of all. I can't wait for the day it becomes as irrelevant in the Middle East as Christianity is in Europe. But there is nothing sophisticated about your KEEP THE WHITE RACE PURE agenda. And there is nothing naive about those of us who have a more humanist perspective. The West, and its liberalism, will survive. Islamism cannot ever become a viable ideology in the global civilization, and it will surely fail. Forget your "Muslims are backward and will drag us all down" mentality for a minute, and try to think of the bigger picture. Do you want the West to help nudge a major civilization toward modernity and mutual prosperity? Or do you want to block all paths forward?

 

[Siro]

Can I ask a question? Like a real question, that is not set up for debate, or trolling for an argument.

why did Isis attack civilians in France? The French president said something like isis targeted young people because they hated French being alive and happy. Which to me sounds as hollow as the USA narrative after 9-11 "they hate us because we are free"

the French response has been predictable, surely Isis could also predict what the French would do. And I just can't see what Isis has to gain by trying it.

I read an article from someone who was probably sitting in a desk in New York or Washington, D.C. there the author said Isis wants to entice the west into a war in hopes of uniting the Muslim world against west for what amounts to WWIII.

I suppose I am suspicious of these explanations and wondered if they match what Isis people are saying or if there is a more complex explanation.

I don't know if ISIS is big enough a player to incite anything close to a world war. But the rest is correct. They attacked France because they want the West to respond. The more cities are leveled and people displaced, the more people ISIS can recruit. The more vicious ISIS' attacks are, the more difficult the situation for Muslims worldwide becomes. The more difficult the situation for Muslims is, the more they are forced between the choice of abandoning the religion, or joining ISIS' vision of it.

 

[Stoked]

https://www.npr.org/2015/11/19/4565...or-national-guard-to-round-up-syrian-refugees

Japanese internees anyone!!!??? Sweet lord...

 

[mellow]

I don't know if ISIS is big enough a player to incite anything close to a world war. But the rest is correct. They attacked France because they want the West to respond. The more cities are leveled and people displaced, the more people ISIS can recruit. The more vicious ISIS' attacks are, the more difficult the situation for Muslims worldwide becomes. The more difficult the situation for Muslims is, the more they are forced between the choice of abandoning the religion, or joining ISIS' vision of it.

So, would it be correct to say that Isis is fighting a culture war for the hearts and minds of young Muslims? And they use violence to provoke violence against themselves and other Muslims so that other Muslims feel like they must choose a side?

 

[Siro]

So, would it be correct to say that Isis is fighting a culture war for the hearts and minds of young Muslims? And they use violence to provoke violence against themselves and other Muslims so that other Muslims feel like they must choose a side?

Yes. That is their goal; the destabilization and collapse of the Muslim world in order to reshape it to their vision of Islam. You also have to remember that ISIS is an apocalyptic sect. They dream of a final battle between "true" Muslims and the heathen rest.

 

[MVP]

But there is nothing sophisticated about your KEEP THE WHITE RACE PURE agenda.

Wow, where did I say anything about keep the white race pure? I have nothing against any race man. My younger kid is in school with special program for gifted and talented kids. Guess what, her class has more than 50% Asian kids ( mostly Chinese) and we are good friends with all their families. My soccer team has people from Caribbean islands, Africa, S. America and Asia as well. We all coexist and do well together. I am all for legal and controlled immigration of good people - needless to say I am one of those as well who needed to go through 3 year application, waiting and screening program to enter country legally as skilled immigrant.
Can I ask you how did you ended up in USA?

 

[Stoked]

Yes. That is their goal; the destabilization and collapse of the Muslim world in order to reshape it to their vision of Islam. You also have to remember that ISIS is an apocalyptic sect. They dream of a final battle between "true" Muslims and the heathen rest.

And those fighting these groups have done a truly superb job at isolating and marginalizing those exact youth. They were even nice enough to put bows on them.

 

[MVP]

Dude. It's ALREADY WORKED. The West has been multicultural for centuries now.

Maybe not for centuries. And while in big countries like USA and Canada it is not big deal, most would agree that Sweden was much much better, prosperous and safer country 30 years ago then it is now. Same things are happening in rest of Europe. I have 3 co-workers from UK who moved to Canada just for that reason. When I asked why, they said that UK is turning into ****hole, sorry.

 

[mellow]

And those fighting these groups have done a truly superb job at isolating and marginalizing those exact youth. They were even nice enough to put bows on them.

reminds me of the scene from the untouchables, "you brought a knife to gunfight". The west brought tomahawk missiles to an ideological battle.

 

[Jamezz]

Sanders is intriguing, but without a a major shift in popular opinion on many key issues, I doubt he is sufficient to set the country in a different direction. And I doubt he gets the nomination anyway, so we're stuck with candidates who have little inclination to upset the powerful interests in charge of our foreign policy.

Yes sir.