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Paris under attack

Turkey shoots down Russian jet

Putin finally got smacked back. About ****ing time.
 
NATO is holding an emergency meeting.

Rebels have claimed to have killed both pilots

Putin claimed that Turkey is supporting and financing terrorists

Russia has warned all its citizens to avoid Turkey

Russian Defense minister cancelled a planned trip today/tomorrow to Turkey
 
maybe this should be merged into the "Paris Under Attack" thread since it's under discussion there as well...

anyone?
 
I heard on the radio as I arrived at work that word was just coming in of Turkey shooting down a second Russian fighter jet. I don't see anything about it on the interweb. Was it a mistaken report?
 
mellow said:
I heard on the radio as I arrived at work that word was just coming in of Turkey shooting down a second Russian fighter jet. I don't see anything about it on the interweb. Was it a mistaken report?
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maybe some confusion with the fact that there were two pilots - one dead and one supposed captured, but some conflicting reports that there were two dead pilots?

here's a link that seems to have good information:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates

live update 3 minutes ago

Turkey says its jets have shot down a warplane near Syrian border
Russia says an SU-24 fighter jet was shot down over Syria
Putin’s spokesman calls it ‘a very serious event’
Turkey releases radar images of the jet over its airspace
Nato to hold extraordinary council meeting on Turkey’s request
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Jamezz said:
It would show a sign of great progress in a country where you have to renounce to your religion of origin and convert to Judaism if you want to become an Israeli citizen. Could you imagine if any western country had such a policy?
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That's not Israel's policy. Being Jewish/having Jewish heritage is just one of the ways someone can become an Israeli citizen. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law#Acquisition_of_citizenship

Acquisition of citizenship
Law of Return

The Law of Return grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel. In the 1970s the Law of Return was expanded to grant the same rights to the spouse of a Jew, the children of a Jew and their spouses, and the grandchildren of a Jew and their spouses, provided that the Jew did not practice a religion other than Judaism willingly. In 1999, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Jews or the descendants of Jews that actively practice a religion other than Judaism are not entitled to immigrate to Israel as they would no longer be considered Jews under the Law of Return, irrespective of their status under halacha (Jewish religious law). On April 16, 2008, the Supreme Court ruled in a case brought by a number of people with Jewish fathers and grandfathers whose applications for citizenship had been rejected on the grounds that they were Jewish Messianics. The argument was made by the applicants that they had never been Jews according to halakha, and were not therefore excluded by the conversion clause. This argument was upheld in the ruling, and the government agreed to reprocess their applications.

Israeli law distinguishes between the Law of Return, which allows for Jews and their descendants to immigrate to Israel, and Israel's nationality law, which formally grants Israeli citizenship. In other words, the Law of Return does not itself determine Israeli citizenship; it merely allows for Jews and their eligible descendants to permanently live in Israel. Israel does, however, grant citizenship to those who immigrated under the Law of Return if the applicant so desires.

A non-Israeli Jew or an eligible descendant of a non-Israeli Jew needs to request approval to immigrate to Israel, a request which can be denied for a variety of reasons including (but not limited to) possession of a criminal record, currently infected with a contagious disease, or otherwise viewed as a threat to Israeli society. Eligible applicants under the Law of Return have no claim to any of the rights or privileges of an Israeli citizen until they are formally granted Israeli citizenship. This is possible after three months of residency in Israel. New arrivals are issued an Israeli Travel Document during this period, after which they are granted citizenship.

Citizenship by residence

Citizenship by residence was intended for non-Jewish denizens of the British Mandate of Palestine (Arabs, Druze, Bedouins, etc.) who were considered to be associated with Palestine during the period immediately prior to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Such denizens who were still within the territorial confines of Israel after the war were granted full Israeli citizenship. In order to determine who was eligible for citizenship under this provision, the state of Israel conducted a population registration in 1952 and again in the 1980s. Those found to meet the requirements obtained Israeli citizenship. For purposes regarding modern Israeli citizenship, this section is usually irrelevant.

Citizenship by descent

A child of an Israeli citizen (including children born outside of Israel as first generation out of Israel) is considered an Israeli citizen. Persons born outside Israel are Israeli citizens if their father or mother holds Israeli citizenship, acquired either by birth in Israel, according to the Law of Return, by residence, or by naturalization.[2]

Citizenship by descent, on the principle of jus sanguinis, is limited to only one generation born abroad. Despite this limitation, descendants of an Israeli national born abroad may be eligible to Israeli citizenship through other methods, such as the Law of Return.

Naturalization

Adults may acquire Israeli citizenship through naturalization. To be eligible for naturalization, a person must have resided in Israel for three years out of the previous five years. In addition, the applicant must have a right to reside in Israel on a permanent basis. All naturalization requests are, however, at the discretion of the Minister of the Interior. The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law of 2003 suspended this practice in the case of citizens of a number of countries, which some have termed "enemy nationals". In January 2012, the Supreme Court of Israel upheld the validity of the law.[3]

Citizenship by marriage

Israel traditionally automatically granted citizenship to spouses of Jewish Israeli citizens by virtue of the Law of Return. However, this practice was suspended in 1999 due to immigration concerns if the Jewish spouse had done Aliyah previous to the marriage or is an Israeli citizen by birth.
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Turkey invoked NATO's Article 4. That is why they are having an emergency meeting.

Turkey came out and said they believe the pilots are alive but captured by rebels and are trying to secure their release.

Russia is waiting to see what NATO's response will be.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...sian-military-plane-on-Syria-border-live.html

That is a link to the Telegraph. A British news source. I like it because they often do a "live" service on major stories and post frequent updates on anything related to the story. They have a "live" service on this story.
 
...and please Spain don't get involved in this mess:

https://archyworld.com/2015/11/france-requested-aid-to-spain-before-elections-20d/


Interesting that the Madrid bombings were also right before the elections. Spain has plenty to deal with to be asked to send troops to fight in Syria. Thanks, but no thanks. Spain strongly opposed the war in Irak, I hope the sentiment of the general population is still the same. People just don't know who they're fighting for anymore...
 
Apparently a Russian helicopter was in the area after the plane was shot down. It was trying to find and rescue the two pilots that ejected. it took fire from Syrian rebels and another Russian is dead. The helicopter reportedly made an emergency landing in Syrian Gov. controlled territory.
 
franklin said:
This is all about oil, right Dutch, Babe, Duck Rogers, and Jamezz? :)
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Jamezz said:
Well, a bit of more research beyond wikipedia shows that they aren't all that welcoming:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...h-is-grounds-for-israeli-citizenship-1.430676

and...

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=o1gDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6587,3228385&hl=en


But even the wikipedia link you sent sounds quite restrictive when it comes to granting Israeli citizenship.
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Restrictive, certainly. Bordering on theocratic state, probably. But not quite to the extent that you said in your previous post.
 
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