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I know i know, im wrong muslims are bad lets just kick em all out
 
This is only gonna cause a rise in support for far right wing parties in Europe the way I see it. The action-reaction theory.
 
Siro said:
How do you know? That statement doesn't necessarily mean he's an atheist. It's a common cliche. My mom often says it, for example, and she's no atheist.

There are variations of the sentiment, like "money, religion, and politics". Sometimes "power, sex, and religion". etc.
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Rudy has posted numerous things on his twitter that point to him being an atheist, or at least an agnostic. Pretty sure he has posted Richard Dawkins quotes before.
 
The attacks were carried out by ISIS. They were planned long in advance and required logistical support in France. Highly unlikely refugees had anything to do with that. The president of France has called it an "act of war" by ISIS, and the response will be "merciless".
 
dalamon said:
the most depressing, hilarious irony to this is the fact that this controversy (if proven to be planned by Muslim extremists) will further worldwide anti-Muslim sentiments, which only further strengthens the recruitment repertoire of ISIS. Countries responding by sealing off borders, and treating refugees savagely will find that these actions will result in higher rates of terrorist attacks.
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That is not even the slightest bit hilarious.
 
Red said:
The attacks were carried out by ISIS. They were planned long in advance and required logistical support in France. Highly unlikely refugees had anything to do with that. The president of France has called it an "act of war" by ISIS, and the response will be "merciless".
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While I'm sure you're right that the actual refugees had noting to do with this, it is simply a fact that the flood of refugees made it easier for the terrorists to hide and organize in plain sight. It is truly a terrible dilemma we are faced with. The proper reaction is to embrace and care for the good people as much as we are able, while destroying the bad people. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to tell the difference until the bad group is doing something evil. By then it will usually be too late.
 
Horrible situation. My heart goes out to the French people.

I hope the US responds as befits an attack on a major ally.
 
dalamon said:
people blaming refugees for these attacks: has it occurred to you that these terrorists are the precise people that the refugees are trying to run away from?
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FYI, the attacker with the ISIS background and Syrian passport was a registered refugee. Which sucks. What are we supposed to do? We need to help these refugees, but we also need to protect our own countries. It's a pretty crappy situation.
 
What have these anti-ISIS air strikes actually done to help the situation in Syria? All they do is ensure Western countries remain a target for attack. The best solution is to stop interfering with the region and let them deal with their own problems.
 
dalamon said:
people blaming refugees for these attacks: has it occurred to you that these terrorists are the precise people that the refugees are trying to run away from?
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Dal, I like you man, but don't be naive. Half of so call refugees, have no passports, no identities and are young 20-25 year old men. They are not running from terrorists. Some of them are terrorists infiltrating Europe.
 
Gee I wonder if questions will be asked regarding how ISIS is getting its weapons and money to fund their expansion and terrorist operations. Of course Saudi won't be questioned, as per usual. K
 
MVP said:
Dal, I like you man, but don't be naive. Half of so call refugees, have no passports, no identities and are young 20-25 year old men. They are not running from terrorists. Some of them are terrorists infiltrating Europe.
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Proof? What do you mean by some? Do you have percentages?
 
dalamon said:
the most depressing, hilarious irony to this is the fact that this controversy (if proven to be planned by Muslim extremists)
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If you paid attention to my post I never mentioned word muslim or islam. I think France right now paid for their colonial history in Algeria, Morocco and other African countries. They killed thousands of them during colonization periods, now it comes around to bite them as they have millions of people from former colonies living in France. And they are not French and never accepted French values and will never be French.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
While I'm sure you're right that the actual refugees had noting to do with this, it is simply a fact that the flood of refugees made it easier for the terrorists to hide and organize in plain sight. It is truly a terrible dilemma we are faced with. The proper reaction is to embrace and care for the good people as much as we are able, while destroying the bad people. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to tell the difference until the bad group is doing something evil. By then it will usually be too late.
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Joe, this may turn out to not be the case, so often the quality of intelligence/ info is off in the early going, but the thinking is French born nationals may have been involved. Of course there will be "revenge" incidents. A refuge camp in Calais, France was set afire last night, for instance.

What strikes me here is the colossal intelligence failure represented by a plot that had to involve dozens of people. Apparently, American intelligence did not recognize it. French intelligence missed it. This is really a stunning failure where the intelligence services are concerned.

Edit: my wife was telling me that, in one instance, a village of 100 people in Germany was selected for the settlement of 750 Syrian refugees! Seriously, ya gotta do better then that!! It is indeed, as you state, a terrible dilemma....
 
Howard said:
FYI, the attacker with the ISIS background and Syrian passport was a registered refugee. Which sucks. What are we supposed to do? We need to help these refugees, but we also need to protect our own countries. It's a pretty crappy situation.
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Terrorists will terrorize even without granting refuge to refugees. The problem that needs to be investigated is a look at what is causing these terrorist plots. Why are these people terrorizing. Why are their recruitment pitches so effective. What roles are we playing in enhancing terrorism?

If we just say "well, they're crazy Muslims!" The approach will be as effective as it has been thus far.
 
Do ppl not realize that ISIS kills Muslims way more than Westerners?
 
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