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We'll see what turns out of this massacre sooner rather than later. Sometimes you need to see what the consequences of taking certain actions are in order to understand the real cause of what triggered such actions. We all know that the real cause for invading Iraq was oil, among other things.

I have a strong feeling that someone wants Assad's head, Iran will be the next stop in this circus act we call 'War on Terrorism'.
 
I'm just gonna leave this right here...[video=youtube_share;x4zis1E0p0M]https://youtu.be/x4zis1E0p0M
 
Why do Americans get pissed when Paris is attacked? Why does Belgium, Germany, Sweden, Estonia...care?

Didn't hurt them, didn't connect to them.

Why doesn't the same anguish emerge after ISIS attacked Beirut?


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?_r=0

“When my people died, no country bothered to light up its landmarks in the colors of their flag,” Elie Fares, a Lebanese doctor, wrote on his blog. “When my people died, they did not send the world into mourning. Their death was but an irrelevant fleck along the international news cycle, something that happens in those parts of the world.”

The implication, numerous Lebanese commentators complained, was that Arab lives mattered less. Either that, or that their country — relatively calm despite the war next door — was perceived as a place where carnage is the norm, an undifferentiated corner of a basket-case region."
 

Or Kenya and Turkey. Both had attacks within a day or two of the Paris attack.

Lot's of reasons imo.

1. It isn't expected in Paris like it is in the middle east and Africa so the shock factor rises.
2. Paris is a major world city unlike the other attack victims
3. Having Paris in the title generates viewers in the news
4. Some degree of ability to connect to Paris victims because they are white
5. France is our oldest ally
6. Just recently we were told this group was "under control"

I am sure that we can come up with another dozen reasons.
 
In this just under 10 minute clip, take a ride with a member of the IS, charged with the responsibility of enforcing Sharia law on all Muslims living in Raqqa. He's quite a pleasant guy. This, I think, is life under terror. Under the threat of death at all times. Sharia patrols. Sharia courts. Steal and have your hands cut off. Murder and be crucified in public....

https://news.vice.com/video/the-islamic-state-part-3

I did post the entire film elsewhere....
 
I sort of miss the days when the P.L.O and the I.R.A. were the terrorists we heard the most about.

Besides, as was mentioned elsewhere, those groups pretty much confined their attacks to the Middle East or the United Kingdom.


I just came across a short blurb somewhere about all the recruitment of young children that I.S. is doing - - that's the scariest part in some ways. I'll link if I can find it again.
 
I sort of miss the days when the P.L.O and the I.R.A. were the terrorists we heard the most about.

Besides, as was mentioned elsewhere, those groups pretty much confined their attacks to the Middle East or the United Kingdom.


I just came across a short blurb somewhere about all the recruitment of young children that I.S. is doing - - that's the scariest part in some ways. I'll link if I can find it again.

The 5 part series on IS I posted elsewhere shows how they raise children, boys of course, to hate and kill apostates. There is a section where a man who moved with his young son to IS from Belgium, asks his young son which he will chose to be, a warrior or a suicide bomber. All the while with the loving smile of a father on his face.

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The 5 part series on IS I posted elsewhere shows how they raise children, boys of course, to hate and kill apostates. There is a section where a man who moved with his young son to IS from Belgium, asks his young son which he will chose to be, a warrior or a suicide bomber. All the while with the loving smile of a father on his face.

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Thanks.

yep, I realized after I posted that it was in the blurb you posted about the video
here's the link: https://news.vice.com/video/the-islamic-state-full-length

One reason I'm especially interested in this right now is that I just read the book "A Long Way Gone - Memoirs of a Boy Soldier" by Ishmael Beah about his time as a young boy and how he ended up fighting for the army in the Sierra Leone civil war from the ages of 13-15. His story differed from the IS "warriors" as he sort of fell into the warrior role by accident, but I'm sure there are parallels as well.
 
Why doesn't the same anguish emerge after ISIS attacked Beirut?


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?_r=0

“When my people died, no country bothered to light up its landmarks in the colors of their flag,” Elie Fares, a Lebanese doctor, wrote on his blog. “When my people died, they did not send the world into mourning. Their death was but an irrelevant fleck along the international news cycle, something that happens in those parts of the world.”

The implication, numerous Lebanese commentators complained, was that Arab lives mattered less. Either that, or that their country — relatively calm despite the war next door — was perceived as a place where carnage is the norm, an undifferentiated corner of a basket-case region."



Because none of the other hit cities are as elegant as Paris, duh.
 
Since this was an intelligence failure, one thing I see being mentioned now and then in the TV coverage is the so-called dark web. I guess it's likely the operatives communicated there, assuming there was any electronic communication at all. These are older articles.

https://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-using-the-dark-web-2015-7

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/02/how-military-will-fight-isis-dark-web/105948/

quite a while back I listened to a very interesting podcast about the "dark web" - - and bitcoin and what-not and how all sorts of criminal elements are using it to procure and/or distribute drugs and weapons
(I'll edit in a link if I can find it)

edit: KCRW (from Santa Monica, CA) podcast of "To The Point from Aug 21, 2013 "The Dark Side of the Cloud"
https://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/to-the-point/the-dark-side-of-the-internet-anonymity-after-all


(actually there was also a separate podcast a few months later about bitcoin that was also interesting)
 
4. Some degree of ability to connect to Paris victims because they are white

Oh really? Well, then you'll want to know that Turks aren't all that much darker than the French. Are you feeling more connected?
 
Oh really? Well, then you'll want to know that Turks aren't all that much darker than the French. Are you feeling more connected?

Do you deny that to some degree that plays a role? It is not the only factor but it does exist.
 
Do you deny that to some degree that plays a role? It is not the only factor but it does exist.


It's not about belonging to the white race it's about belonging to the Western Civilization. You don't react to it more than the over 100 dead bodies came out of Ankara, Turkey because they are white. Even if they are black skinned they still belong to the Western Civilization. And it's not about religion too. Israel's people are Middle-Eastern and they are located in the Middle-East because they would like to do so, but since Adam Sandler is such a funny dude, they are part of the Western Civilization. Nothing to feel shame about admitting that. I love Adam Sandler, one of my favorites so I have hard time getting angry at Israel because of that.
 
But as a Turkish person I still feel a little disappointed because no one made their facebook profile covered with Turkish flag.

It's a great cool flag too.

:(
 
Sorry that I joke about this kind of pure insanity. There just is not anything left to do. Hits like that are the times when anything logical or mindful stops and only insanity takes place. I hope good people of Earth stand together against terrorism of any kind, even if it's made by an organisation or a state. There is no other way out of that. Any no easy way out too.
 
It's not about belonging to the white race it's about belonging to the Western Civilization. You don't react to it more than the over 100 dead bodies came out of Ankara, Turkey because they are white. Even if they are black skinned they still belong to the Western Civilization. And it's not about religion too. Israel's people are Middle-Eastern and they are located in the Middle-East because they would like to do so, but since Adam Sandler is such a funny dude, they are part of the Western Civilization. Nothing to feel shame about admitting that. I love Adam Sandler, one of my favorites so I have hard time getting angry at Israel because of that.

Adam Sandler is awful, but you're right about the rest. It has nothing to do with whiteness. Nobody would give a **** if, say, Bosnia was attacked, regardless of what wavelengths their skin reflects. If a black neighborhood in Harlem was bombed, the press would go wild.

None the less, Stoked is admitting that at least to some white people, perceived race determines the value of one's life. I find that incredibly sad.
 
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