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PG and first team O this year

Corbin is teh best

--frank circa corbin era

Strawman argument

--frank circa jazzfanz existence
 
Stifle Tower said:
No doubt Quin's offense does NOT need a traditional PG. I'm just worried on the defensive end. Gobert can stop some penetration, but he can't erase chronically poor perimeter defense. How many open 3's would that lineup give up?
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Gobert DOES improve perimeter defense. He doesn't guard the perimeter, but are you kidding me? If you had the French Verge behind and you were guarding the perimeter, would you expect the drive? Or would you cheat slightly more to the perimeter? Gobert shrinks the floor. That's why our perimeter defense improved last season. Putting additional length on the perimeter with Dante Exum (and in his absence) Alec Burks starting at point makes a lot of sense defensively.
 
fishonjazz said:
Corbin is teh best

--frank circa corbin era

Strawman argument

--frank circa jazzfanz existence
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Burks is Dwayne Wade!!!

--fish




Fish is probably the biggest jazz fan on the board. If I had to wager my spare change jar on who would be first in line to give the players rim jobs it would without a doubt be him.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Gobert DOES improve perimeter defense. He doesn't guard the perimeter, but are you kidding me? If you had the French Verge behind and you were guarding the perimeter, would you expect the drive? Or would you cheat slightly more to the perimeter? Gobert shrinks the floor. That's why our perimeter defense improved last season. Putting additional length on the perimeter with Dante Exum (and in his absence) Alec Burks starting at point makes a lot of sense defensively.
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I didn't say Rudy doesn't help the perimeter defense. I said he can't cure CHRONICALLY poor perimeter defense. Sure he helps. But to say you can have two poor defenders on the perimeter and it doesn't matter because Gobert is inside is erroneous. Exum was a very good defender; Burks hasn't shown that ability. Will Hood and Burks close out on 3PT shooters? Will they fight through screens? Pretty easy for opponents to just fire away. Or get past Burks and pass off to the open center when Rudy steps up to help.

As BAD as Trey is, I'd still say he's a better defender at the 1 than Burks. If length is the concern, why don't we just play Rudy at the 1 and start Pleiss at the 5? It's not just about length. It's about the ability to stay in front of your man and switch quickly as needed. If Burks shows he can defend and distribute, then fine, give him a shot at PG. I think you'll see a miserable failure, though. There's a reason teams have PG's and not just two 6'5" SG's. In fact, many teams are playing two-PG sets.
 
franklin said:
Burks is Dwayne Wade!!!

--fish




Fish is probably the biggest jazz fan on the board. If I had to wager my spare change jar on who would be first in line to give the players rim jobs it would without a doubt be him.
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On the first part of your post.... Good call. Can't wait for Burks to be back playing again so I can ramp up the comps. I'm thinking Michael Jordan

As for the second part of your post... isn't that by definition trolling?
Will wait patiently for your infraction to be doled out and justice to be served
 
Stifle Tower said:
I didn't say Rudy doesn't help the perimeter defense. I said he can't cure CHRONICALLY poor perimeter defense. Sure he helps. But to say you can have two poor defenders on the perimeter and it doesn't matter because Gobert is inside is erroneous. Exum was a very good defender; Burks hasn't shown that ability. Will Hood and Burks close out on 3PT shooters? Will they fight through screens? Pretty easy for opponents to just fire away. Or get past Burks and pass off to the open center when Rudy steps up to help.

As BAD as Trey is, I'd still say he's a better defender at the 1 than Burks. If length is the concern, why don't we just play Rudy at the 1 and start Pleiss at the 5? It's not just about length. It's about the ability to stay in front of your man and switch quickly as needed. If Burks shows he can defend and distribute, then fine, give him a shot at PG. I think you'll see a miserable failure, though. There's a reason teams have PG's and not just two 6'5" SG's. In fact, many teams are playing two-PG sets.
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Agreed that Gobert doesn't make our perimeter defense unnecessary. Of course not. But 2 years ago, we were the worst perimeter defense in the league. To end last season we were one of the best. Gobert makes a HUGE difference in tactically limiting the options for opposing offenses. Dante improved our perimeter defense more than Trey... no doubt. But I don't believe Trey will make THAT big of a difference on the outside. And if he does, he will sit. It's that easy.

Remember what two teams focused the MOST on stretching the floor in the NBA last year? Golden State and San Antonio. Post all star break the Jazz were one of 7 teams to beat golden state and we beat San Antonio 2 - 0. I actually believe that our perimeter defense will be stalwart next season and that Trey will bring that down only slightly.

Also, Hayward was the point last year. 90% of Dante's plays were to dribble the ball down and give it to someone else. Mostly Hayward or Hood. So, to play Alec Burks in Dante's absence isn't absurd. We like length on the floor and that is one of our matchup strengths that we exploit.
 
franklin repeating what I've said all season long. Hard to imagine us making the playoffs if Burks starts more than 10 games at PG this season. Awful, dreadful fit-- for reasons that franklin made very obvious in this thread.
 
fishonjazz said:
This is a possibility but think we would be just fine scoring with that lineup. I think having a point guard (trey burke) that shoots horribly from the field, doesn't get to the line, takes too many shots, and doesn't get assists is about as bad as you get for the pg position.
Are these the jazz rankings while running out a lineup of Burks, hood, Hayward, favors, and Gobert?
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Go watch soccer or something, you don't know basketball. That team lineup gets laughed at by the other nba teams. You have 2 scoring threats in Hayward and Burke and neither are all stars. Gosh your such an idiot
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Go watch soccer or something, you don't know basketball. That team lineup gets laughed at by the other nba teams. You have 2 scoring threats in Hayward and Burke and neither are all stars. Gosh your such an idiot
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So Burke is a scoring threat and Favors, and Hood are not? Maybe you should go watch Soccer, because it's absolutely conclusive that you don't know **** about basketball.
 
We will be at least 6th seed if Burks starts at least 29 games at the PG. For all the reasons some guys posted here.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Go watch soccer or something, you don't know basketball. That team lineup gets laughed at by the other nba teams. You have 2 scoring threats in Hayward and Burke and neither are all stars. Gosh your such an idiot
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