The Thriller
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So why pass tax cuts? If the jobless rate is so amazing then shouldn't we be raising taxes to balance our budget? Why pass tax cuts right now? Please explain
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So why pass tax cuts? If the jobless rate is so amazing then shouldn't we be raising taxes to balance our budget? Why pass tax cuts right now? Please explain
The Thriller
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Agreed. The DNC needs to promote electable candidates. Sounds like they are. Doug Jones has pulled even with Roy Moore in Alabama. A democrat with a history of promoting social justice winning against a right wing pastor in Alabama would be quite the feat. It would be like a black muslim winning in Utah county. Democrats are making far right district races far more competitive. The midterms is going to be a bloodbath for the GOP. Competitive areas are going to swing strongly to the left. You can't just maintain a terrible 30s approval rating and be alienating more people each week and not expect consequences.
I'd like to see more vision from the DNC. The GOP has come out with their tax cuts. I'd like to see the DNC counter with tax and spending increases to send former coal miners and workers in the manufacturing sector for job retraining and education. I'd like to see a counter to Trumpcare. I'd also like to see an infrastructure bill too. This would force Donald to come to the table begging to make a deal and would cut into the GOP forcing them to take sides. The GOP would either agree with us or obstruct risking alienating their base desperate for economic aid.
The cool thing about Donald is that he's too stupid to promote an infrastructure bill. If he were to propose such a thing he would force Democrats to either agree with him or alienate many workers and stop their momentum. As it stands, the more Donald is distracted and the longer he waits to help "the forgotten man" the worse their situation becomes. He's spent more time arguing about Comey, NFL, and god knows what else this weekend, ignoring infrastructure, and giving us opportunities. It's like he's refusing to pass the slot receiver who's uncovered the ball because he's too busy in a pissing match with the waterboy. The worse their situation becomes the less enchanted they'll be with him and the less patience they'll have in dealing with his nonsense. Each passing month more factory workers are laid off and neglected, the worse is becomes for Donald.
So it's fine with me. He can continue to ignore the plight of so many in his base. We'll be sure to gobble them up in 2018 and 2020. Once we have control of the Congress and WH, I'd like to see a push for single payer, higher education aid, and infrastructure. With senate rules changed, we'll ramrod this agenda down the remaining republican throats. We just need to stick together.
The party that succeeds at reforming our infrastructure and health care system first, will dominate politics for the next few decades, don't ya think? Which party do you think is going to accomplish this? Donald is too distracted accomplish anything it seems. Pity. He had a chance to really leave a positive mark on our country. He has squandered it.
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porcupinetree
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The economy is doing well, but can do better. It's just getting started and it's going to get even better.
Why tax cuts? Raise taxes to balance the budget? No matter how much the govt takes in in taxes, they NEVER pay down the budget. Never.
Also, what happened when Bush and Reagan lowered taxes? Government intake INCREASED dramatically.
How do you explain that?
The people filing for initial + continuous benefits. Why do you ask?
The Thriller
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When Reagan and Bush lowered taxes, great deficits followed.
You’re free to make up your own opinions. You’re not free to make up your own facts.
I’ll consider that your white flag. That was easy. Thanks!
Good work. Specifics are important.
What legislation has been passed this year that specifically made an identifiable mark in jobless claims?
porcupinetree
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You mean, 9 Trillion....like Obama gave us?
I am not free to make up my own facts? That's rich coming from you. Yes, I know you.
FACT: Following both Reagan and Bush tax cuts, the tax intake of the fed gov went WAY up. if the congress decided to squander that extra money and spend more, that is not the fault of the tax cuts.
Damn, that was easy.
Gee, even Kennedy knew it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU
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Huh, can't put people on ignore with the app.
Gonna have to go to the webview i guess.
Gonna have to go to the webview i guess.
You mean, 9 Trillion....like Obama gave us?
I am not free to make up my own facts? That's rich coming from you. Yes, I know you.
FACT: Following both Reagan and Bush tax cuts, the tax intake of the fed gov went WAY up. if the congress decided to squander that extra money and spend more, that is not the fault of the tax cuts.
Damn, that was easy.
Gee, even Kennedy knew it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU
Fact: Crackdowns in any major system, from taxes to pirating satellite television, correct behavior.
Initially. Until the private sector learns how to avoid the new crackdowns.
Ahh, I get what you are meaning now. It's hard to follow a conversation with so many ignore list posters.
I don't like when many presidents claim success for the economy, but Obama and Reagan definitely were the leaders of two distinct economic turning points and the policies they supported were the main drivers.
If you want to get into conspiracy, Trump is riding the Obama recovery wave and many are rightfully calling this a Goldilocks economy (look it up) and think it can run on for several more years. Trump wants a recession a.s.a.p. so he can blame it on Obama and then claim the success of recovery. I think the economy is overheating and one will be induced by the Fed within 18 months. That timing would devastate a Trump 2nd term bid.
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Deployment of troops and Special Forces in Africa, and increasingly in sub-Saharan Africa, is not too well known to the American public. Nick Turse, managing editor of TomDispatch.com, and a fellow at the Nation Institute has been keeping track of developments in the African front of the "war on terror" for years. So, here he provides background for those who may be interested, in view of the recent incident in Niger. Some 1000 US troops are deployed in Niger, in the region of the Chad Basin, a region spanning several African sub-Saharan nations:
https://news.vice.com/story/the-u-s...adow-war-in-africa-exclusive-documents-reveal
"Six years ago, a deputy commanding general for U.S. Army Special Operations Command gave a conservative estimate of 116 missions being carried out at any one time by Navy SEALs, Army Green Berets, and other special operations forces across the globe.
Today, according to U.S. military documents obtained by VICE News, special operators are carrying out nearly 100 missions at any given time — in Africa alone. It’s the latest sign of the military’s quiet but ever-expanding presence on the continent, one that represents the most dramatic growth in the deployment of America’s elite troops to any region of the globe.
In 2006, just 1 percent of all U.S. commandos deployed overseas were in Africa. In 2010, it was 3 percent. By 2016, that number had jumped to more than 17 percent. In fact, according to data supplied by U.S. Special Operations Command, there are now more special operations personnel devoted to Africa than anywhere except the Middle East — 1,700 people spread out across 20 countries dedicated to assisting the U.S. military’s African partners in their fight against terrorism and extremism.
"Africa’s challenges could create a threat that surpasses the threat that the United States currently faces from conflict in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria,” Bolduc warned. He went on to cite a laundry list of challenges with which he and his personnel must contend: ever-expanding illicit networks, terrorist safe havens, attempts to subvert government authority, a steady stream of new recruits and resources".
See also:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175818/tomgram:_nick_turse,_american_proxy_wars_in_africa
https://news.vice.com/story/the-u-s...adow-war-in-africa-exclusive-documents-reveal
"Six years ago, a deputy commanding general for U.S. Army Special Operations Command gave a conservative estimate of 116 missions being carried out at any one time by Navy SEALs, Army Green Berets, and other special operations forces across the globe.
Today, according to U.S. military documents obtained by VICE News, special operators are carrying out nearly 100 missions at any given time — in Africa alone. It’s the latest sign of the military’s quiet but ever-expanding presence on the continent, one that represents the most dramatic growth in the deployment of America’s elite troops to any region of the globe.
In 2006, just 1 percent of all U.S. commandos deployed overseas were in Africa. In 2010, it was 3 percent. By 2016, that number had jumped to more than 17 percent. In fact, according to data supplied by U.S. Special Operations Command, there are now more special operations personnel devoted to Africa than anywhere except the Middle East — 1,700 people spread out across 20 countries dedicated to assisting the U.S. military’s African partners in their fight against terrorism and extremism.
"Africa’s challenges could create a threat that surpasses the threat that the United States currently faces from conflict in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria,” Bolduc warned. He went on to cite a laundry list of challenges with which he and his personnel must contend: ever-expanding illicit networks, terrorist safe havens, attempts to subvert government authority, a steady stream of new recruits and resources".
See also:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175818/tomgram:_nick_turse,_american_proxy_wars_in_africa
porcupinetree
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So Thriller......
You never bothered to answer this question. You just said that the deficit went up, which has nothing to so with what I said.
But then that is how you always argue. Never stick to the subject.
The Thriller
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You mean, 9 Trillion....like Obama gave us?
I am not free to make up my own facts? That's rich coming from you. Yes, I know you.
FACT: Following both Reagan and Bush tax cuts, the tax intake of the fed gov went WAY up. if the congress decided to squander that extra money and spend more, that is not the fault of the tax cuts.
Damn, that was easy.
Gee, even Kennedy knew it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU
Obama never had $9 trillion in deficits. No president has. In fact, the deficit went down under obama.
porcupinetree
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Are you really so dumb as to think that the 9T was referring to deficits?
The deficit went down?
How did the debt double, then if deficits went down? That's some fuzzy math.
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Actually it didn't.
https://money.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-u-s-deficit-national-debt-.htm
So it went up under Obama to record levels, then dropped back off to still higher than any time before. So saying that the deficit went down is a lot like a salesman that jacks the price up on something then offers a sales price that is still higher than the original price would have been, only to be able to say "lower prices".
porcupinetree
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Yeah, that's pretty much what democrats do, and unfortunately many repbublicans
It actually did go down as a % of GDP for a time. My rough calculation has it at 96% of GDP but now it is set to rise as the Federal Reserve tightens and ******* in Chief budgets.
Most don't realize we were buying more of our own debt than we were deficit spending for a long time under Obama. Thriller is correct, in a vacuum anyway, that now is the time to pay down debt. Thriller has a brain the size of a snail though and doesn't understand economics. External factors like global economics with the strengthening dollar's impact on the Current Account (which is basically our entire deficit finance. Cue Trumpenomics), what the world will do to pull itself out of seemingly endless malaise, and the want for interest rates to become normalized.
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Y'all ever hear about this Ron Paul fellow? Man is a brilliant, modern day Thomas Jefferson. It's a shame he doesn't get more people's attention.
He's anti-war.
Served in vietnam as med evac, very dangerous job landing choppers in middle of the warzone like a sitting duck, performing surgeries on mangled dudes screaming for their lives, wasn't a draft dodger like all these war hawks. I agree with and endorse just about everything yoda i mean ron paul says.
He's the only one who understands (and fights on the side of good) the Federal Reserve and Military Industrial Complex, what's wrong with our medical system. He says the Federal Reserve is more secretive and elite than the CIA. It's not even Federal and there is no reserve! It's all a scam. They are the most powerful men on the planet yet hardly anyone knows they're a private company. I've talked with professional money managers that didn't even know that!
World War 2 never ended, it's been going on the entire time. Media is highly highly controlled.
He's anti-war.
Served in vietnam as med evac, very dangerous job landing choppers in middle of the warzone like a sitting duck, performing surgeries on mangled dudes screaming for their lives, wasn't a draft dodger like all these war hawks. I agree with and endorse just about everything yoda i mean ron paul says.
He's the only one who understands (and fights on the side of good) the Federal Reserve and Military Industrial Complex, what's wrong with our medical system. He says the Federal Reserve is more secretive and elite than the CIA. It's not even Federal and there is no reserve! It's all a scam. They are the most powerful men on the planet yet hardly anyone knows they're a private company. I've talked with professional money managers that didn't even know that!
World War 2 never ended, it's been going on the entire time. Media is highly highly controlled.
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Also, he says we had better medical care before medicare and medicaid. He's so ancient he practiced medicine before these programs came about and the poor were better taken care of he says! It was called charity, docs worked for free. Now, that is illegal to do so without going thru medicare bureaucracy.
Wool has been pulled over peoples eyes.
Wool has been pulled over peoples eyes.
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Our modern day government's #1 mission is to keep the people ignorant of what's really going on. Let that sink in for a moment.