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Pop's Brilliance

Sticking with the same team is more impressive than hopping around to ideal situations.

Pop is a much, much better coach than Jackson, and that's saying nothing bad of Jackson.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Sticking with the same team is more impressive than hopping around to ideal situations.

Pop is a much, much better coach than Jackson, and that's saying nothing bad of Jackson.
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I agree. Jackson was a great coach but he went from Jordan/Pippen to Shaq/Bryant...
 
NAOS said:
but Parker and Ginobili are fully his own creations. He's been lucky to have Duncan, no doubt, but his teams have been more thoroughly conjured by his own genius than any team ever handed to Jackson. If that sounds too harsh on Jackson, well, it is... but the contrast needs to be stark because I think it's hard to appreciate in any other way when I can only type a few sentences.

Jackson can handle personalities. Cool. Well, I don't support that **** anyway, so whatevar.
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It's a bit unfair to the players to call them "fully his creations".

I think arguments could be made both ways and it's telling that the only real negative anyone can think of for either coach is that their players are too good.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Sticking with the same team is more impressive than hopping around to ideal situations.

Pop is a much, much better coach than Jackson, and that's saying nothing bad of Jackson.
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If we are talking about moral ethics, let's not forget Popovich has been accused of doing the same thing we all blast Mark Jackson for doing with the Warriors this year. Possibly faking injuries to key players to keep them out of games to get a better draft pick.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
If we are talking about moral ethics, let's not forget Popovich has been accused of doing the same thing we all blast Mark Jackson for doing with the Warriors this year. Possibly faking injuries to key players to keep them out of games to get a better draft pick.
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...I don't think Popovich faked any injuries! He just said "I'm resting my guys and that's it!" Heck, they still ended up with the best record in Basketball, right?
 
carolinajazz said:
...I don't think Popovich faked any injuries! He just said "I'm resting my guys and that's it!" Heck, they still ended up with the best record in Basketball, right?
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No, I'm talking about the year David Robinson got "injured" for the entire season, giving the Spurs the worst record and Tim Duncan.
 
But would a player like Robinson have any interest in sitting out a season in order for the team to get a better draft pick? My guess is that he actually had an injury or he would have wanted (insisted) to play.
 
Gameface said:
But would a player like Robinson have any interest in sitting out a season in order for the team to get a better draft pick? My guess is that he actually had an injury or he would have wanted (insisted) to play.
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He could have been willing to wait at a chance at a championship. Didn't he retire the year they won? Like Malone and Gary Payton jumping teams looking for a ring.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
No, I'm talking about the year David Robinson got "injured" for the entire season, giving the Spurs the worst record and Tim Duncan.
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Wow. Not even sure where to start with this post.

First of all, having the worst record doesn't guarantee you'll get the first pick in the draft. It only means your chances are better than everyone else in the draft lottery. Second, Vancouver and Boston both had worse records than the Spurs that year, which of course gave them the best odds to win the first pick in the draft. Spurs just had better luck on lottery day. Plain and simple. Third, I was at the game that Robinson broke his foot that year against the Heat early in the season. I was only 12 rows up and it happened right in front of me. I can't remember if DRob was trying to block Alonzo Mourning's shot, or was just going up for a rebound, but he landed right on top Mourning's foot when he came down. He dropped like a rock, and everyone there watching him writhing in pain on the court knew that he was going to miss a ton of time. Sure enough, Spurs announce the next morning that xray's confirmed he had a broken foot and would be out 8-10 weeks. Even the small guy's on the court injure knees and ankles when they land on another player's foot. But a big guy like Robinson? Something is more than likely gonna tear or break. And last, Pop just isn't that kinda guy. He's not going to ask any of his players to sacrifice a whole year of their playing career in the hopes that maybe they'd get lucky in the draft lottery and get Tim Duncan.

The only thing that can possibly be argued is that Robinson could have finished out the season after sitting out for 2 months. And I don't doubt that he could have. But the Spurs were so far out of the running by that point, it would've been pointless, not to mention stupid to risk re-injuring his foot just for the sake of 5 to 10 more wins.

Man. It's hard to believe that this idea of Pop executing some super genius master plan to draft Duncan is still floating around out there. Unless he had a crystal ball and knew that he'd get lucky on lottery day, it would've been a crap shoot at best. It's so far fetched that it's laughable.
 
I can't remember if it's VSlice or nbaNERD who has a big speech about this issue.......
 
GoSpurs said:
Wow. Not even sure where to start with this post.

First of all, having the worst record doesn't guarantee you'll get the first pick in the draft. It only means your chances are better than everyone else in the draft lottery. Second, Vancouver and Boston both had worse records than the Spurs that year, which of course gave them the best odds to win the first pick in the draft. Spurs just had better luck on lottery day. Plain and simple. Third, I was at the game that Robinson broke his foot that year against the Heat early in the season. I was only 12 rows up and it happened right in front of me. I can't remember if DRob was trying to block Alonzo Mourning's shot, or was just going up for a rebound, but he landed right on top Mourning's foot when he came down. He dropped like a rock, and everyone there watching him writhing in pain on the court knew that he was going to miss a ton of time. Sure enough, Spurs announce the next morning that xray's confirmed he had a broken foot and would be out 8-10 weeks. Even the small guy's on the court injure knees and ankles when they land on another player's foot. But a big guy like Robinson? Something is more than likely gonna tear or break. And last, Pop just isn't that kinda guy. He's not going to ask any of his players to sacrifice a whole year of their playing career in the hopes that maybe they'd get lucky in the draft lottery and get Tim Duncan.

The only thing that can possibly be argued is that Robinson could have finished out the season after sitting out for 2 months. And I don't doubt that he could have. But the Spurs were so far out of the running by that point, it would've been pointless, not to mention stupid to risk re-injuring his foot just for the sake of 5 to 10 more wins.

Man. It's hard to believe that this idea of Pop executing some super genius master plan to draft Duncan is still floating around out there. Unless he had a crystal ball and knew that he'd get lucky on lottery day, it would've been a crap shoot at best. It's so far fetched that it's laughable.
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LOL.. it's not often that Cy gets totalled. But this was one of those times.

Well Done.
 
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