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Portland way more talented than Jazz?

Beantown

Beantown

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Or are they just that more experienced?

I'm really surprised at their current record. In the preseason I wasn't that impressed and thought their frontline was really thin.

Yes their wings are good but none of them will be making the all star team anytime soon. I was surprised how they handled the Lakers tonight.

Can you imagine if they had a healthy Brandon Roy and Oden....

So Portland holds the best record in the west right now. But is their team more talented than the Jazz?The Jazz have better depth and talent up front. But Portlands wings are better. I guess I just don't see much disparity talent wise between the teams. So I'm guessing it's more experience and chemistry that separate us from them.

Also is there anyway Jazz could get Batum? He's stuck behind Wallace and would be a great young SF for the Jazz.
 
It's about time they started to do better. I was starting to feel sorry for them after all their injuries. Speaking about teams, have you seen the MAVS lately? HAHA
 
Nate McMillan does an unbelievable job up there, getting those guys to play defense and get after it defensively.
Injuries always seemed to deplete their offensive talent, but defensively - even when they lost their big guys - they never missed a beat. In the past, the one way you could beat them would be to come at them with an explosive offensive attack and they would have trouble matching you point-for-point (2009-10), but now that they have a real PG who can shoot and push the ball in transition, they're that much tougher to beat. They've got length and toughness - but most importantly they just play hard.
 
I really think they are better now without Roy. While he was a a talented player he also bogged down the offense.
Remember how people said they ran no offense at all when he was there? He dribble around until the shot clock was
running down and then someone would hoist up a bad shot. Now they play much more like a team. The ball movement
is outstanding.

Same thing with the Nuggets. They actually improved with their superstar gone.
 
When healthy, I think Roy was an asset for Portland (07-08, 08-09). I think starting Andre Miller at PG had more of a negative impact on Roy in relation to Portland's offense than Roy himself. No secret those two didn't play well together. Both needed/wanted the ball in their hands to be effective and neither could really function playing w/out it. They probably would've moved Miller but they actually needed Miller because they couldn't depend on Roy's knees.

Getting Matthew last year and now Felton, it definitely lets them play faster, and that's a good thing for Portland.
 
Are you kidding me? Portland is one of the most stacked teams in the league. They are MUCH better than us.

Aldridge (One of the best PF in the game. Better than anyone on the Jazz)
Matthews (Very underrated and great defender)
Felton (He was playing great in New York last year)
Gerald Wallace (One of the most underrated players in the league)
Jamal Crawford (One of the best sixth men in the game)
Batum (Would be starting on 70% of the other teams)
Oden (Drafted 1st overall)
Kurt Thomas (Proven veteran)
Marcus Camby (Proven defender)

compared to

Big Al (Black hole)
Devin Harris (Inconsistent, not even a top 20 PG)
Burks (Rookie)
Hayward (Solid player but nothing compared to Gerald Wallace yet. He wouldn't start on Portland)
Kanter (Not developed)
Favors (solid defender, needs to improve offensive game..no where near Aldridge)
Millsap (solid player, portland wanted to sign him as a bench player...)
CJ (Terrible shot chucker)
Bell (Dont even ask...)
 
Yes, I think Portland is more talented and experienced. They play harder than the Jazz. I am surprised by how good they are but when you play hard and as a team good things happen.

Portland matches up well with LA. They have always given them a hard time. With the additions of Wallace and Crawford, I am not that surprised they handled the Lakers.

The Jazz need to look at Portland and continue to add athletic guys who are tough and can create for themselves. Yes, I would love having Batum on the Jazz. CJ for Batum get it down KOC. LOL.
 
utahjazz107 said:
Are you kidding me? Portland is one of the most stacked teams in the league. They are MUCH better than us.

Aldridge (One of the best PF in the game. Better than anyone on the Jazz)
Matthews (Very underrated and great defender)
Felton (He was playing great in New York last year)
Gerald Wallace (One of the most underrated players in the league)
Jamal Crawford (One of the best sixth men in the game)
Batum (Would be starting on 70% of the other teams)
Oden (Drafted 1st overall)
Kurt Thomas (Proven veteran)
Marcus Camby (Proven defender)

compared to

Big Al (Black hole)
Devin Harris (Inconsistent, not even a top 20 PG)
Burks (Rookie)
Hayward (Solid player but nothing compared to Gerald Wallace yet. He wouldn't start on Portland)
Kanter (Not developed)
Favors (solid defender, needs to improve offensive game..no where near Aldridge)
Millsap (solid player, portland wanted to sign him as a bench player...)
CJ (Terrible shot chucker)
Bell (Dont even ask...)
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Harris is at or around 10th best in the league. 20th would put him around the likes of Jeff Teague, and Eric Maynor. Don't kid your self.

Miles has the same efficiency numbers as Crawford.

You are a little too high on Portland buddy.
 
With their new style of playing, Portland can realize their potential. Felton is a totally differrent player when his team run. Batum can be an essential player for them for many years if they don't screw him. And all the other guys are very efficient players. In addition they seem very good as a team on the court. So as my opinion, my answer to the thread's main question is; yes they are both more talented and more experienced than our team.

Nevertheless, I don't envy them because I'm happened to be a fan of a young, talented and promising team which will be envied by other teams' fans in a couple of years at most only if KOC and our all dear FO members don't sink this lovely ship of bright future.
 
vslice02 said:
Nate McMillan does an unbelievable job up there, getting those guys to play defense and get after it defensively.
Injuries always seemed to deplete their offensive talent, but defensively - even when they lost their big guys - they never missed a beat. In the past, the one way you could beat them would be to come at them with an explosive offensive attack and they would have trouble matching you point-for-point (2009-10), but now that they have a real PG who can shoot and push the ball in transition, they're that much tougher to beat. They've got length and toughness - but most importantly they just play hard.
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Nate might be the best motivator in the league. If all NBA coaches were available, he'd be my first choice to coach this Jazz team.
 
Yes.

More talented and more experienced.

People love to forget that last year they gave the Mavs a tough series. Probably the toughest one they had.
 
Beantown said:
Can you imagine if they had a healthy Brandon Roy and Oden....
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...there is NO SUCH THING as a healthy Roy or Oden! There is nothing to imagine. They were both flawed humans when they came out of their mother's womb. No fault of their own. But to answer you question, yes the Blazers are more talented, better coached, better financed, better structured....and will win many more games than this rag tag bunch we got!
 
LunaticWolf said:
Harris is at or around 10th best in the league. 20th would put him around the likes of Jeff Teague, and Eric Maynor. Don't kid your self.

Miles has the same efficiency numbers as Crawford.

You are a little too high on Portland buddy.
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PGs I would rather have than Harris as my starting PG:

Rose
DWill
CP3
Westbrook
Rondo
Lawson
Rubio
Curry
Holiday
Nash - if we're talking the next two years
Calderon
Lowry
Conley
Parker
Felton

Wall & Evans would be headaches, but their potential factor would make me like them more than Harris as well.

I'd put Harris in the 15-20 category with the likes of Jameer Nelson, Collison & Jennings
 
margodydek said:
PGs I would rather have than Harris as my starting PG:

Rose
DWill
CP3
Westbrook
Rondo
Lawson
Rubio
Curry
Holiday
Nash - if we're talking the next two years
Calderon
Lowry
Conley
Parker
Felton

Wall & Evans would be headaches, but their potential factor would make me like them more than Harris as well.

I'd put Harris in the 15-20 category with the likes of Jameer Nelson, Collison & Jennings
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I'll bet before we had him you would have listed him at least five and possibly ten places higher. Familiarity breeds contempt.
 
margodydek said:
PGs I would rather have than Harris as my starting PG:

Rose
DWill
CP3
Westbrook
Rondo
Lawson
Rubio
Curry
Holiday
Nash - if we're talking the next two years
Calderon
Lowry
Conley
Parker
Felton

Wall & Evans would be headaches, but their potential factor would make me like them more than Harris as well.

I'd put Harris in the 15-20 category with the likes of Jameer Nelson, Collison & Jennings
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He should be ranked above or at the same level as rubio, holiday, calderon, lowry and conley.
 
LunaticWolf said:
He should be ranked above rubio, holiday, calderon, lowry and conley.
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Agreed with lowry, conley, and rubio. Id say calderon and holiday are at the same level, with jrue probably progressing past this level. But yeah, as jazzfanz we always manage to gripe about something. I see Harris coming into his own, offering a steady 15/7 by the end of the season, which is wonderful, if you take into account that Hayward will need his assist numbers as well. I don't want Harris to have all control of every play being run like Dwill, meaning that I don't care for him to be a 20/10 player. 15/7 with good defense would be wonderful, but hoping for good defense might be wishful thinking from what Ive seen thus far.
 
dalamon said:
Agreed with lowry, conley, and rubio. Id say calderon and holiday are at the same level, with jrue probably progressing past this level. But yeah, as jazzfanz we always manage to gripe about something. I see Harris coming into his own, offering a steady 15/7 by the end of the season, which is wonderful, if you take into account that Hayward will need his assist numbers as well. I don't want Harris to have all control of every play being run like Dwill, meaning that I don't care for him to be a 20/10 player. 15/7 with good defense would be wonderful, but hoping for good defense might be wishful thinking from what Ive seen thus far.
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Yeah, I edited to say same level.

Agreed with the defense.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'll bet before we had him you would have listed him at least five and possibly ten places higher. Familiarity breeds contempt.
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This is so true.

Portland has found a very nice combination of players. I thought they'd go after Dalembert or Pryz but 1-4 they are very tough. GW and Wesley are perfect fits for that coach and team. They consistently put out more effort than their opponent.

I do think they were foolish to throw more money after Oden rather than just sign a guy that can play.
 
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