Potential New Jazzmen
- Thread starter Stoked
- Start date
t.work
Well-Known Member
Not your type of player, Jerry?
margodydek
Well-Known Member
These reports (Mason, Green Howard) have me convinced that KOC is looking to make a trade somewhere. I think Mo makes us slightly better, but bringing back basically the same team + Mo = fighting for the 8th seed again.
I count 12 teams in the West that will go into the season and will be expecting playoffs.
I count 12 teams in the West that will go into the season and will be expecting playoffs.
NAOS
Well-Known Member
I just hope the FO has a plan for how they want to distribute the minutes at the 2 and 3. That's been impossible to forecast with such young players (Burks, Hayward) and out-going garbage (CJ, Howard, etc.) and the lockout.
I think they know pretty much what they have in Hayward, and I think they're probably really happy with Burks. Hayward can play 30 minutes/game, splitting his time at the 2 and 3. I think they should set a goal for Burks at 23+ productive and energized min/game -- making sure he is committed to attacking the rim and playing tough D.
That leaves 43 minutes a game at the wings. YOU ALREADY KNOW that Danny Green has been syncopated (so to speak) to be highly focused and productive in limited minutes. Sign him for the right amount and expect he takes 23 of those minutes. If you can get him for $4M per, then awesome.
That leaves 20 minutes. Can Carroll do that? If he establishes a steady shot from a couple of spots on the floor, then maybe. Can Evans chip in? God, I wish he could. He needs a jumpshot. Is Mo Williams gonna take some of these minutes?
Obviously there are still some questions. Danny Green would go a long way to solving them (hopefully without much risk. And, he's young, too.)
I think they know pretty much what they have in Hayward, and I think they're probably really happy with Burks. Hayward can play 30 minutes/game, splitting his time at the 2 and 3. I think they should set a goal for Burks at 23+ productive and energized min/game -- making sure he is committed to attacking the rim and playing tough D.
That leaves 43 minutes a game at the wings. YOU ALREADY KNOW that Danny Green has been syncopated (so to speak) to be highly focused and productive in limited minutes. Sign him for the right amount and expect he takes 23 of those minutes. If you can get him for $4M per, then awesome.
That leaves 20 minutes. Can Carroll do that? If he establishes a steady shot from a couple of spots on the floor, then maybe. Can Evans chip in? God, I wish he could. He needs a jumpshot. Is Mo Williams gonna take some of these minutes?
Obviously there are still some questions. Danny Green would go a long way to solving them (hopefully without much risk. And, he's young, too.)
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
Well-Known Member
Gerald Green isn't a good shooter, and that's what we need. I'll take the other Green. I've been a fan of his all year, he'll make a great roll player. He will do what he's good at and not try to do to much or force it like Cj does.
vslice02
Well-Known Member
Green is reportedly seeking a multi-year deal, so no thanks.
The thing about the Gerald Greens, the Stromile Swifts, the Charlie Villanuevas, the Erik Dampiers, the Stephen Jacksons of the league...guys who never seemed to reach their potential due to self-inflicted flaws (be it laziness, conditioning, off-court issues, intelligence)...you want those guys on short or expiring deals with something to prove in order to ensure you'll get them motivated and giving you their best effort, concentration and behavior. Once they give you that season, you don't touch them with a 10-foot pole and in no way assume they've changed and are now a completely different player. The best example in my mind is Tim Thomas - who after being sent home and bought out by the Bulls because they hated him, signed with the Suns and became this unbelievable 3-point threat and a well-liked teammate in a great playoff run. Then the Clippers gave him a 4 year deal thinking they were getting 2006 Tim Thomas instead of just "Tim Thomas" and he ended up reverting to the uncoachable, lazy, waste of talent he always was before being traded twice and eventually bought out.
Gerald Green was out of the league for 2 years because he seemed more interested in getting on sportscenter rather than being an nba basketball player and really working on his game. He obviously worked hard on his jumpshot and willingness to compete but he basically had no other choice if he wanted to ever play in the NBA again. Maybe he's changed and maybe averaging double-figures on a horrid Nets team is a sign he's now going to have a long career in the NBA, but signing him to a multi-year contract should be somebody else's risk to take and live with. IMO giving a guy who couldn't make his mark for 6 years a multi-year contract based off 2 months of play would be a foolish gamble.
Last edited:
Beantown
Well-Known Member
Jazz really getting better will be on Favors and Hayward.
margodydek
Well-Known Member
I agree with this, but in order for Favors to flourish he's going to need 35+ minutes. And I don't think they're going to stick Kanter at the end of the bench to rot, he's going to need more minutes than last year (20+). A change needs to be made and either Millsap or Jefferson need to be dealt (which isn't exactly this first time this has been said here).
Who isn't?
t.work
Well-Known Member
Agreed. THE best scenario, for the future, would be to deal Jefferson and have Millsap play the role of sixth man, starting Kanter and Favors together. Give Kanter 20-25 minutes of playing time to start out, and by the end of the season have him playing 25-30 minutes per.
NAOS
Well-Known Member
cool story...
shake me when Kanter is ready to play 25-30 minutes/game.
shake me again when Kanter deserves to start.
kthx.
Belinelli has been a disappointment in the league. Granted, he's played for screwed up teams, but still. I wonder if the Jazz could get him to focus.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Stephen Jackson is not in the same category as the other four knuckleheads you mentioned.
vslice02
Well-Known Member
I listed him because the Spurs knew/know exactly when to let him walk (2003) and when to bring him back (final year and a half of his contract).
vslice02
Well-Known Member
Players whose positive track record extends longer than 2 months?
NAOS
Well-Known Member
translation: because they have and get extensions without 'looking'.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
A large part of why they let him go involved money. And he's been productive for all those years in between.
Agreed. This is like another team's fan base getting excited about signing CJ Miles.
Chargers Jazz Angels
Well-Known Member
Brandon rush defense and shooting. If we are looking at 4 mil he is where I would spend it.
Multi year deal for gerald green only if it starts at 1 to 2 mill. I would give him a 3 yr 7 mill type of offer. So if he gets lazy and stupid again you cut him. Dont think he will sign for that though.
Multi year deal for gerald green only if it starts at 1 to 2 mill. I would give him a 3 yr 7 mill type of offer. So if he gets lazy and stupid again you cut him. Dont think he will sign for that though.