Power Tankings
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fishonjazz
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spycam1
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GS seems like an extreme example, though. Is it common for tankers to go THAT far?
UGLI baby
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Yeah.
I think it's very common for teams to shut down guys for the season with minor injuries and also sit key players during the 4th qtr of games.
Simmons talks about it in his articles a lot. He is one of the main writers that calls teams out when they tank.
I get what you're saying as well, but counter that organizations with a greater commitment to tanking also still have to play each other.
Yep. Don't forget that they traded their top scorer for a player out for the season to really kick that thing off.
MVP
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Have you seen Jalen's and Bill's tank ranking? Utah is leading in their opinion. I think Utah and Bucks are in their own league and nobody is close to top 2 - you are really wrong about Raptors for example. Even if they trade Lowry with players like Vasquez, Amir, JV, Hansborough, Patterson and DeRozan they are good enough for 8 spot in the east. Unless they blow it completely there should not be in tank rankings at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_n1c8cG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_n1c8cG0
I don't know. But what I do know is they're about to take a ride on the karma train.
Jazz should move up to 2 based off of being in the West alone. There are 12 bad teams in the East. Jazz have a total of 24 games against these teams, while all the bad teams in the East have about 35-40 games against bad teams in the East. There are only so many losses to go around. As long as the Jazz lose on the road to the bad east teams, it will be hard for more than 1 team to have a worse record.
UGLI baby
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Strength of schedule goes out the window when a team starts dirty tanking and intentionally losing. That's why I have the Jazz where they are. I feel those other teams will tank with abandon while the Jazz add a few wins down the stretch.
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Sorry but the way Corbin picks lineups it's looking like the Jazz are tanking dirty. But it's possible these lineups play at times because Ty Corbin is terrible at coaching basketball.
green
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I don't know why we seem to hold Utah to a different standard than the other teams. Not one person has put Utah #1.
Here are mine:
Actively tanking, right this moment:
#1 - Utah. No one is doing it better right now. My goodness. Favors sitting out games, Jeremy Evans starting AND guarding the best PF in the league? (WTF?). We haven't fire Ty Corbin, and we let Horny walk so we could hold onto Ty Corbin. We had a chance to resign Paul Millsap or Al Jefferson, and we let them walk, then instead of getting good reserves, we traded for Biedrens, a fat Rush, and Jefferson, who we now give big minutes to. Our PG situation going into the year was Lucas, Tinsley and a DLeaguer. Now it is a rookie PG and a Dleaguer. Nobody is tanking harder than this team right now. We are so close to GS levels of tanking, and yet, no one wants to admit it. We aren't "trying" to lose games, we just don't have anyone with the ability to win games. We are tanking much harder than SA ever did.
#2 - Milwaukee - They suck as well. BUT, I don't even know if I put them in the actively tanking category quite yet, because they have had so many injuries. I could easily see them feeling like they have a chance if they rip off a 3 game win streak, trading for Turner, and jumping out of this category and dropping Philly down into this one.
That's it right now. NY isn't tanking and won't ever, because they don't have a pick. Same with Brooklyn. Orlando is still young. If they continue to improve, I could see them making a move for a player to make a playoff push. Same with Philly and Cleveland. Irving has this year and next, and Cleveland wants to keep him happy and in Cleveland. That means winning now. They won't officially tank, until close to the trade deadline. I think the next team to enter the tank race would be Sacramento, if the Gay trade doesn't work out. If it does work out, then they aren't tanking. I don't think Love would tank in Minnesota, which means they aren't tanking until they trade him (which I don't know if they do at all).
We are seriously the only team actively tanking. I don't get why people can't see that. Either that, or Favors is the next Boozer...
Here are mine:
Actively tanking, right this moment:
#1 - Utah. No one is doing it better right now. My goodness. Favors sitting out games, Jeremy Evans starting AND guarding the best PF in the league? (WTF?). We haven't fire Ty Corbin, and we let Horny walk so we could hold onto Ty Corbin. We had a chance to resign Paul Millsap or Al Jefferson, and we let them walk, then instead of getting good reserves, we traded for Biedrens, a fat Rush, and Jefferson, who we now give big minutes to. Our PG situation going into the year was Lucas, Tinsley and a DLeaguer. Now it is a rookie PG and a Dleaguer. Nobody is tanking harder than this team right now. We are so close to GS levels of tanking, and yet, no one wants to admit it. We aren't "trying" to lose games, we just don't have anyone with the ability to win games. We are tanking much harder than SA ever did.
#2 - Milwaukee - They suck as well. BUT, I don't even know if I put them in the actively tanking category quite yet, because they have had so many injuries. I could easily see them feeling like they have a chance if they rip off a 3 game win streak, trading for Turner, and jumping out of this category and dropping Philly down into this one.
That's it right now. NY isn't tanking and won't ever, because they don't have a pick. Same with Brooklyn. Orlando is still young. If they continue to improve, I could see them making a move for a player to make a playoff push. Same with Philly and Cleveland. Irving has this year and next, and Cleveland wants to keep him happy and in Cleveland. That means winning now. They won't officially tank, until close to the trade deadline. I think the next team to enter the tank race would be Sacramento, if the Gay trade doesn't work out. If it does work out, then they aren't tanking. I don't think Love would tank in Minnesota, which means they aren't tanking until they trade him (which I don't know if they do at all).
We are seriously the only team actively tanking. I don't get why people can't see that. Either that, or Favors is the next Boozer...
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green
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Funny. You posted this while I was typing my response. We are the #1 tanker right now, and it isn't even close.
UGLI baby
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You just added 1 hour of funny basketball talk to my evening. thx ! Watch all 4 parts. worth it
I'm at part 2 right now and my favorite part was:
Bill Simmons: I heard that the knicks have that overhead cameras at MSG(Sports VU equipment) and they use these cameras to try to figure out which reporter is talking to which employee to figure out who the moles are.
Jalen Rose: That's just doing way too much.
Bill Simmons: Get a life
Jalen Rose: Just look at the 15 guys in uniforms and 4-5 guys in suits and fix those!
If true, that's like next level Snowden'ing
Bill Simmons: I heard that the knicks have that overhead cameras at MSG(Sports VU equipment) and they use these cameras to try to figure out which reporter is talking to which employee to figure out who the moles are.
Jalen Rose: That's just doing way too much.
Bill Simmons: Get a life
Jalen Rose: Just look at the 15 guys in uniforms and 4-5 guys in suits and fix those!
If true, that's like next level Snowden'ing
green
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Yup. Saw a couple patients between. Sat on my screen half written for an hour.
Its not strength of schedule that I am arguing. Its that when a bad team plays a bad team, one of them needs to win.
Here is a list for the # of teams from your list each team will play in the last 1 1/2 months of the season (March/April) (I did not include Memphis games because I don't think they will be anywhere near tank mode at the end of the season)
Bucks-10
Jazz-5
Cleveland-7
Toronto-9
Philadelphia-8
Sacramento-7
Orlando-7
Now these numbers do not include games against Boston, Detroit, Charlotte, Washington and Chicago, who are arguably almost as bad, and therefore winnable games as well. The teams in the East will have many more games against these teams.