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Preseason Game #2: OKC at UTAH

addictionary said:
Put everything athletic ability-wise aside, Enes' ability to read the game, watch and foresee the moves of his teammates and especially his P&R defense now that he's faster has improved a lot from what we see.
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His PnR defense was the best on the team last year. Besides becoming better at taking charges and blocking shots, I don't know what more you could ask from him last year. He really did a great job.
 
SiroMar said:
Favors played pretty well last season, and ended on a high note. What changed since then?
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I agree we should be reasonable, but what's changed is people's perception. All we have is the last two games after the offseason, which is where you get better, and Favors appears to be worse in the pre-season than he did in the playoffs. If he always seemed like a total gamer, then this isn't a concern, but him moseying along and being good (but not great) without seeming to try particularly hard is par for the course, historically. People wanted to see if Favors had grown his skillset or his mentality, and the early results are that he hasn't in any appreciable way.

Put more succinctly, what's changed is what hasn't. That's the problem.

But again, I didn't watch either game. I just don't see how a talented monster puts up very pedestrian numbers against bad competition.
 
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MoTown16 said:
He's not a "KNOWN" quantity. Far from it. He was extremely inconsitent last season. He had 3 decent playoff games. But I maintain we still don't know if he will be a top-tier starter. Jazz had one of the best EVER defenders in Mark Eaton. But they were constantly playing 4 on 5 on offense because he couldn't shoot.
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Not exactly true. Illegal defense rules meant someone had to pretend to guard him. That's one of the things the Jazz offense was built around.

Since the rules changed, yeah, Brewer and AK kind of ruined everything, especially since it made keeping one of the worst interior defenders in the entire league on the floor a necessity (next to the other one of the worst interior defenders in the league).

As this all pertains to Favors, there are a lot of teams that have Cs who's offense doesn't have to be respected in a vacuum (which is why Jefferson's man-to-man D is good but overrated; he's not guarding anyone, and that's exactly why he got moved from the 4 to the 5), but you can't really send help out from the middle and just leave a guy next the hoop unguarded. If there's one guy you can hide on offense, it's a big.
 
NUMBERICA said:
His PnR defense was the best on the team last year. Besides becoming better at taking charges and blocking shots, I don't know what more you could ask from him last year. He really did a great job.
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I agree but he lacked his same success against fast guards' drives and pg-c duos that have a presence on p&r's. This game, he was so quick to react to the guard fleeing off from the screen. Maybe his undeniable emotional game made me think so. But I'm sure his feet are hell of a lot quicker. 2ndly, on one possession, he grabbed the ball and layed it up so quickly that I couldn't believe it even I have heard about his improvement stories. Great first home game to see him actually do what he claims.
 
I see Favors box-score sucks, but did play good defense?

Also, after watching Big Al and Kanter dunk on Aldrich, let's take a moment to laugh at all who wanted to draft Cole Aldrich over Hayward.
 
GVC said:
Favors is already a 60%+ free throw shooter. That's good enough to not be a liability down the stretch in close games.
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He's actually better than that - he improved during the course of last season and shot 70% from the stripe over the last month. Until then, he was getting hacked a lot.
 
PKM said:
I think Favors is a 16/10 guy with 36 minutes. I think Kanter is a 14/12 guy with the same minutes.

Future.
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The way I see it now is that Kanter is the better offensive player and rebounder. The only thing Favors does better is block shots. I think Kanter can be a go to guy eventually on offense if he keeps his conditioning and gains more experience. The biggest issue I have with Kanter now is turnovers. He needs to learn watch the double teams and learn when to pass out and when to take it quickly to the basket. Favors hasn't really shown that he has developed any go to move and seems as though he is still playing passively. I know its just two pre-season games but Kanter seems like he has way more potential offensively than does Favor.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I see Favors box-score sucks, but did play good defense?

Also, after watching Big Al and Kanter dunk on Aldrich, let's take a moment to laugh at all who wanted to draft Cole Aldrich over Hayward.
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I'm also taking a moment to laugh at those people who wanted to draft Valanciunas, Knight and even Biyombo over Kanter. Guess who it was? Btw, Aldrich had quite a good game yesterday...
 
underKANTER said:
I'm also taking a moment to laugh at those people who wanted to draft Valanciunas, Knight and even Biyombo over Kanter. Guess who it was? Btw, Aldrich had quite a good game yesterday...
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We are getting way ahead of ourselves. Valaciunas hasn't played a NBA game yet. Kanter weight loss is letting his talent show, but potential isn't production. And the preseason isn't productions.
 
Qman said:
Valaciunas hasn't played a NBA game yet. Kanter weight loss is letting his talent show, but potential isn't production. And the preseason isn't productions.
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Not disagreeing, but Kanter has looked better than Val in preseason. Val's going to have to get A LOT stronger.
 
Qman said:
I wanted Kawhi Leonard.
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It would have been hard to draft kawhi leonard since he didn't come out the same year as hayward, henry, babbit, aldrich, etc etc.

Leonard came into the nba the same year as burks and kanter..... last year.
 
Oop sorry qman, i now see you were talking about last years draft.
The discussion for last years draft is who we should have taken at #3. If you wanted leonard at 3 then you were about the only person in the world to think he should go that high.
Kanter was and still is the right pick.
 
No way Qman wanted Leonard at 3, right? I thought he was saying he wished we could have taken him with the 2nd pick.
 
underKANTER said:
I'm also taking a moment to laugh at those people who wanted to draft Valanciunas, Knight and even Biyombo over Kanter. Guess who it was? Btw, Aldrich had quite a good game yesterday...
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I'm laughing at the people who haven't even seen Jonas play a NBA season yet and make stupid comments.
 
spycam1 said:
We need to run Favors in the pick and roll more. He's not primarily a post up player and we need to stop forcing him to be. Watch his highlights and tell me how many of them come from him cutting to the basket vs posting up. I really feel the coaching staff misuses him a great deal on offense.
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Spycam1 is correct in my opinion. I think Favors is not ready to be a post move player. He has none. He needs to be more of a pick and roll player. The Jazz hardly ever run plays for him. Its annoying to watch.

He needs to improve is outside shot. Make it a threat to just guard.
He loses the ball a lot. Not very strong hands so far and he isn't finishing like he should.
His footwork is what is holding him back from getting position to score down low. Once he gets proper footwork he will become an all-star until than he is just an athletic defender who can score every once in awhile. I am honestly not excited about him anymore. This is his 3rd season and he still hasn't improved his footwork. What has he been working on all these years????????
 
PKM said:
No way Qman wanted Leonard at 3, right? I thought he was saying he wished we could have taken him with the 2nd pick.
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If that is the case then there were ALOT of people who thought that.
I remember leonard being projected at like 5 or 6 before the draft.
I had burks, then leonard, then singleton for our 12th pick.
 
PKM said:
No way Qman wanted Leonard at 3, right? I thought he was saying he wished we could have taken him with the 2nd pick.
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I think a lot of people just didn't want Kanter (myself included) and said they would rather have so and so at 3.

Not that they thought that player was #3 worthy, just wanted more than Kanter.
 
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