TheSilencer1313
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Jefferson for Iggy and I say yes. Why the hell would you basically trade away Millsap and Harris for an ok point guard?
Proposed 3-way w/TOR & PHI
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so only 3 weeks ago?
Disturbing.
The Shocker
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Yesterday I hated this trade. Today, I like it. Alot. We lose Millsap which would suck big time but Brand expires, as does Calderon who could start for a year and mentor Lillard who we could snag with the 8th pick in this draft. We'd then still have a ton of cap room for someone like Harden next offseason, and also have three 1sts with ours, Toronto's (which could easily be a top five pick), and Golden State's. These bundled could net us a franchise player like Muhammed.
A Lillard, Muhammed, Harden, Favors, Kanter starting five could be very strong and we'd still have Hayward and Burks off the bench.
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Darkwing Duck
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So Philadelphia trades the fifteenth pick and Iguodala for Millsap, who is expiring, and junk?
No way they'd ever do that trade.
No way they'd ever do that trade.
How can you when the writer takes 4 days before begining to start to get to the initial stages of making a point... then dropping this deep line:
They dump Brand's expiring and Iggy, have a payroll that doesn't meet league minimum, and still covet that precious "amnesty bullet"?
Someone tell me when SLC Skunk writes a piece worth reading.
Brand is paid over $18mm alone, dood.
JayCamjazzfan
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I like it but I'd like to see Jefferson go in the same trade instead of milsap
theNBAnerd
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for the record, i have long liked the idea of calderon for the jazz. he's an efficient, pass-first, involve-everybody guard that would be a perfect second-unit facilitator, and i'd even be fine with him starting if getting him meant losing harris.
but this trade just won't get it done. you just can't build trades without looking at each team's perspective.
1) jazz: give up paul, raja, earl, harris and a 2014 1st to get a #8 this year, a 2013 toronto first, calderon and elton brand
raja is gone either way and earl is pretty replacable. so you basically turn millsap into brand (much costlier, less effective and more injury prone); you turn harris into calderon (probably a downgrade if you look at it in a vacuum, but like i said, i think i'd be ok with this); and you turn our 2013 1st into two picks that are probably going to be much better.
2) sixers: give up iggy, the #15 this year, and brand in exchange for millsap, kleiza, and two jazz cast-offs (earl and raja)
just no way. this is where the deal dies and philly's front office laughs so hard they have to go take a nap after they hang up the phone. kleiza is a one-faceted bench player, and raja and earl are replacement-level players. so they're basically trading away two of their best four players and a draft pick in exchange for paul millap.
3) toronto: gives up kleiza, calderon, and their picks in the next two drafts in exchange for harris, iggy, philly's pick this year and utah's pick two years from now
first of all, this violates the ted steppien rule as toronto would be trading future picks in consecutive years. so right there you'd have to do some tweaking. if you took care of that, you're still asking toronto to sacrifice two of their picks for two of utah's/philly's picks, which are probably going to be less valuable. so for them to be interested, they'd have to really love iggy and/or feel like harris was a measurable upgrade over calderon.
but this trade just won't get it done. you just can't build trades without looking at each team's perspective.
1) jazz: give up paul, raja, earl, harris and a 2014 1st to get a #8 this year, a 2013 toronto first, calderon and elton brand
raja is gone either way and earl is pretty replacable. so you basically turn millsap into brand (much costlier, less effective and more injury prone); you turn harris into calderon (probably a downgrade if you look at it in a vacuum, but like i said, i think i'd be ok with this); and you turn our 2013 1st into two picks that are probably going to be much better.
2) sixers: give up iggy, the #15 this year, and brand in exchange for millsap, kleiza, and two jazz cast-offs (earl and raja)
just no way. this is where the deal dies and philly's front office laughs so hard they have to go take a nap after they hang up the phone. kleiza is a one-faceted bench player, and raja and earl are replacement-level players. so they're basically trading away two of their best four players and a draft pick in exchange for paul millap.
3) toronto: gives up kleiza, calderon, and their picks in the next two drafts in exchange for harris, iggy, philly's pick this year and utah's pick two years from now
first of all, this violates the ted steppien rule as toronto would be trading future picks in consecutive years. so right there you'd have to do some tweaking. if you took care of that, you're still asking toronto to sacrifice two of their picks for two of utah's/philly's picks, which are probably going to be less valuable. so for them to be interested, they'd have to really love iggy and/or feel like harris was a measurable upgrade over calderon.
Dwill4mvp
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Are you not reading any of my other posts... It's 18 M expiring... Why is this so complicated to understand?
you pay him for one year and then you have that cap space..
utahjazz107
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I would give up Jefferson and Harris if we landed Bargnani and the 8th pick. We would have like 16 mil in cap space, we could go after Dragic and Gerald Wallace and draft Lamb/Rivers/Beal.
Dragic/Watson/Tinsley
Hayward/Burks/(Lamb/Rivers/Beal)
Gerald Wallace/Hayward/Carroll
Favors/Millsap
Bargnani/Kanter
Dragic/Watson/Tinsley
Hayward/Burks/(Lamb/Rivers/Beal)
Gerald Wallace/Hayward/Carroll
Favors/Millsap
Bargnani/Kanter
I take back every bad thing I've said about you.
The Shocker
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akirac73
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If just 1% of the trade threads we see on this board followed Nerd's logic before posting, this world would be a better place.
It's a great trade for Toronto, and OK one for Utah, and a bad one for Philly. Yes, they get rid of Brand's deal, but it is expiring anyways and they could get a lot for for AI2.
I don't think there is benefit for Utah's 2014 pick or Toronto 2013 to be swapped, so I would take that out of thw trade, which essentially leaves trading Millsap for Brand and Calderon for Harris. Unless that #8 pick becomes a stud, Utah basically gets no improvement out of it. I think there are cheaper ways to get rid of Bell's contract.
I don't think there is benefit for Utah's 2014 pick or Toronto 2013 to be swapped, so I would take that out of thw trade, which essentially leaves trading Millsap for Brand and Calderon for Harris. Unless that #8 pick becomes a stud, Utah basically gets no improvement out of it. I think there are cheaper ways to get rid of Bell's contract.
Yes. Here's the original post I was responding to:
Millsap, Watson, and Raja all expire too and are collectively owed $14,083,633 next year.
Lion's Roar
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Brand can't be traded right now.
Why not?