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Protester gets shot with tear gas canister in Oakland.

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SaltyDawg said:
That guy in the video was not some unemployed bum. He was a 2 term Iraq war vet. I saw his room mate (who is also an Iraq war vet, they served together) on a news show the other day, so I know he didn't live in his parents' basement either.
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What "REAL" job does this "world policeman" and his "roommate" have now that Obama reduced the deficit by bringing them home?
 
Millsapa said:
What "REAL" job does this "world policeman" and his "roommate" have now that Obama reduced the deficit by bringing them home?
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"Olsen joined the Marines in 2006, served two tours in Iraq and was discharged in 2010, according to Iraq Veterans Against the War. Now a systems administrator at San Francisco software firm OPSWAT Inc., he had spent most nights during the last few weeks at the Occupy SF camp, said his roommate, Keith Shannon.

"He'd leave work, head there, sleep there and go to work the next day," Shannon said. "We were really against the fact that the banks and corporations were not held accountable for what they did.""



https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/27/BAD61LN3LM.DTL
 
SaltyDawg said:
I don't know how he "really" got hit in the head with a flash grenade or tear gas round (which is what put him on the ground in the first place), but you can see the cop throw a flash grenade right next to him while he is laying on the ground.

I don't think we need to be using force to "control" these protests unless they actually do get out of hand. There have been zero reports of looting, violence, drugs, or any other crimes. The only violence and crime coming from these protests (the one in Oakland included) is from the police getting violent with the protesters and arresting them on bogus charges (such as unlawful assembly, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct, etc).
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I wouldn't go that far

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Cops-use-tear-gas-protests-turns-violent.html

In a five-hour stand-off protesters vandalised businesses and smashed bank windows, as they tried to shut down the city - and police appeared to respond using tear gas and flash bang grenades.
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Back in Oakland - riot police arrested dozens of protesters who had marched through downtown to break into a vacant building, shattering windows, spraying graffiti and setting fires along the way.
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‘The protesters began hurling rocks, explosives, bottles and flaming objects at responding officers.
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I'm not saying that I agree that peaceful protests should be met with violence, nor that I think that an individual laying on the ground injured should be harmed or not allowed to receive aid. What I am saying is that you have some violent individuals hiding in the midst of many protestors. If they are are hurling deadly objects at the Oakland PD then the Oakland PD is going to try to disperse the group.

Also, have any of the occupiers of the port of Oakland considered the thousands of blue-collar workers in Oakland who rely on the port to feed their family? The workers who are currently out of work waiting for this to get resolved.
 
My initial response to this thread is, "Good!".

After watching the video and reading some of the nonsense in this thread, it's still, "Good!". 99% of the time, I will side with police, especially when all of the evidence isn't known. All I've seen is some video that has gone viral. For all I know, the police gave this guy 10 chances to move or disburse, and he continued to disobey orders. For all I know, they were on private property. For all I know, that guy could've pulled a gun. For all I know...

See, that's just it, I don't know -- and neither do you. Stop making stupid blanket statements because of some propaganda laced video/commentary/news article. Ockham's razor is usually a safe bet, especially where the police -- you know, the guys that put their lives on the line every day to protect yours and my freedoms/rights -- are concerned.
 
TroutBum said:
My initial response to this thread is, "Good!".

After watching the video and reading some of the nonsense in this thread, it's still, "Good!". 99% of the time, I will side with police, especially when all of the evidence isn't known. All I've seen is some video that has gone viral. For all I know, the police gave this guy 10 chances to move or disburse, and he continued to disobey orders. For all I know, they were on private property. For all I know, that guy could've pulled a gun. For all I know...

See, that's just it, I don't know -- and neither do you. Stop making stupid blanket statements because of some propaganda laced video/commentary/news article. Ockham's razor is usually a safe bet, especially where the police -- you know, the guys that put their lives on the line every day to protect yours and my freedoms/rights -- are concerned.
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If you lived in the Bay Area I think you'd realize that the Oakland PD is a whole different animal. They **** up A LOT.
 
Agoxlea said:
If you lived in the Bay Area I think you'd realize that the Oakland PD is a whole different animal. They **** up A LOT.
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Of course, they're human, but wouldn't you agree that a VAST majority of the time, they serve and protect vs. hinder and harm? For every time an Oakland cop ****s up, are there not 1000's of cases of them doing the right thing? I think it's safe to assume this with every police department in the US.
 
I don't think that's safe at all. No good can come from talking to a police officer, and much harm can come from it. Since there is very little accountability for the actions of police and since cops support other cops before they support the truth I do not trust them at all. IMO they have proven that it is us vs them.

I do have deep respect for the decent cops out there that actually are concerned with the well being of the people they are charged to protect. It's a tough and often thankless job.
 
squareinthecircle said:
I don't think that's safe at all. No good can come from talking to a police officer, and much harm can come from it. Since there is very little accountability for the actions of police and since cops support other cops before they support the truth I do not trust them at all. IMO they have proven that it is us vs them.

I do have deep respect for the decent cops out there that actually are concerned with the well being of the people they are charged to protect. It's a tough and often thankless job.
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Your last statement directly contradicts your first. Which is it?
 
Nate505 said:
Yeah, it's a damn shame that shot didn't kill that stupid America hating Obama loving former Marine liberal!!!
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I'll say it again, because it appears that you must've missed it: Stop making stupid blanket statements because of some propaganda laced video/commentary/news article. Your schtick is nauseating -- very Thrilleresque.
 
I have no other way to respond to the idea that someone looks at something titled "protestor gets shot with tear gas canister" and their first reaction is to think "good."
 
Nate505 said:
I have no other way to respond to the idea that someone looks at something titled "protestor gets shot with tear gas canister" and their first reaction is to think "good."
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Fair. What is your excuse for the previous posts in this thread that were almost identical?
 
Boondocksaint27 said:
I wouldn't go that far

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Cops-use-tear-gas-protests-turns-violent.html







I'm not saying that I agree that peaceful protests should be met with violence, nor that I think that an individual laying on the ground injured should be harmed or not allowed to receive aid. What I am saying is that you have some violent individuals hiding in the midst of many protestors. If they are are hurling deadly objects at the Oakland PD then the Oakland PD is going to try to disperse the group.

Also, have any of the occupiers of the port of Oakland considered the thousands of blue-collar workers in Oakland who rely on the port to feed their family? The workers who are currently out of work waiting for this to get resolved.
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This was all well after (about a week or so) the tear gas incident being discussed in this thread. At the time of the tear gas incident being discussed in this thread, there were zero reports of violence/looting/vandalism/etc. I know there have been a couple reports now, but there weren't any when the police initially got violent.
 
TroutBum said:
My initial response to this thread is, "Good!".

After watching the video and reading some of the nonsense in this thread, it's still, "Good!". 99% of the time, I will side with police, especially when all of the evidence isn't known. All I've seen is some video that has gone viral. For all I know, the police gave this guy 10 chances to move or disburse, and he continued to disobey orders. For all I know, they were on private property. For all I know, that guy could've pulled a gun. For all I know...

See, that's just it, I don't know -- and neither do you. Stop making stupid blanket statements because of some propaganda laced video/commentary/news article. Ockham's razor is usually a safe bet, especially where the police -- you know, the guys that put their lives on the line every day to protect yours and my freedoms/rights -- are concerned.
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This is not entirely true.

It is true that we don't know the circumstances that put the guy on the ground in the first place. But we can clearly see in the video when the cop lobs a flash grenade right next to the guy while he's laying on the ground (into the crowd of people that were trying to help him).

If you side with cops 99% of the time, this should absolutely be that 1% when you agree they were wrong.
 
TroutBum said:
For every time an Oakland cop ****s up, are there not 1000's of cases of them doing the right thing? I think it's safe to assume this with every police department in the US.
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I honestly think it's probably more like nine than 1000s. Police have almost no true accountability (complaints are routinely dismssed, testimony is considered accurate until proven otherwise). That much power corrupts.

Check out https://www.theagitator.com/ on a regular basis.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=503BrDrrb68

The next lovely gem from the Oakland PD.This guy gets shot with a rubber bullet because he was videotaping.
 
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