Put Kanter to rest...once and for all.

[stix737]

Kanter had too many bad memories here to fix things. During the Corbin era he wasnt given the confidence he needed to excel. Corbin messed him up.

 

[CAKAR]

And that my friends is life. Life is something that happens on our way to our plans.

Yeah, but if you want to make the Play-Offs you still need a guy like Ryan Anderson playing around 28 minutes a game and providing some spacing on this team. Their is need to win longterm more than winning shortterm.

 

[MT Steve]

Yeah, but if you want to make the Play-Offs you still need a guy like Ryan Anderson playing around 28 minutes a game and providing some spacing on this team. Their is need to win longterm more than winning shortterm.

I am so grateful you aren't the Utah Jazz GM.

 

[akirac73]

Kanter doesnt fit into QS's system? Gobert doesnt have an offensive game!

Kanter fits into any NBAs system if he's used proper. Look he went from 14/8 to 18/11 after getting unchained from the Miller's. They were trying i keep his value down and demanded QS make him look bad. Jazz wanted to pay him Loggrad. They wanted to pay him half his value.


18/11. Wake up. Future 1st team all star.

Do you really think Kanter will average 18/11 when Durant comes back? Kanter has yet to play a game with KD. Durant is a premier scorer in the league, he's going to get his 25-30 points per game, Kanter will go back to his 14/8. You watch...

 

[enchilada_style]

Classic example of a strawman poll. There is of course another option. Keep them all. Kanter was restricted and would have signed his tender to play one more year for the jazz. The jazz got nothing of value from the trade other than a late round pick in the future that might never even make the team and the ability to start gobert. The coaching staff could have started gobert anyway so all we got is some cap space. I would have kept kanter before trading him for cap space and the very late draft picks.

I dont know man, I just think DL is better at his job than you are at his job. You may be better at your job than he is at your job though. I'll give you that.

 

[bjacksonjazzfan]

I added to the runaway list of votes for Kanter.

 

[Dumb Bloke]

Do you really think Kanter will average 18/11 when Durant comes back? Kanter has yet to play a game with KD. Durant is a premier scorer in the league, he's going to get his 25-30 points per game, Kanter will go back to his 14/8. You watch...

Kanter is scoring fom 57%. He is more efficient than Wastebrook. You think that is not going up when Durant takes pressure off him, or more like he takes pressure off Durant?

 

[Dumb Bloke]

Yeah, but if you want to make the Play-Offs you still need a guy like Ryan Anderson playing around 28 minutes a game and providing some spacing on this team. Their is need to win longterm more than winning shortterm.

If the Jazz hired Anderson when they could have for basically nothing Kanter would have scored 25+ here. Nobody would care on defense just like they dont in Oklahoma. A win is a win. Nobody cared when Shaq couldnt defense pick and roll.

 

[Hekate]

I am so grateful you aren't the Utah Jazz GM.

We do need a stretch 4 and if he is good enough he can play 20-25 minutes a game.

 

[tleikheen]

Durant is a premier scorer in the league, he's going to get his 25-30 points per game, Kanter will go back to his 14/8.

Why because Durant wants his points more than wins.......All the OKC fans and analysts say Durant is a willing passer ,same as Westbrook.I see Kanter having all kinds of room to operate in the OKC offense.One big reason OKC hasn't won it all was a lack of Interior scoring .Kanter is who they've been wanting ......an inside presence.Kanter will be doing what he's been doing since he got to OKC ,picking cherries and cleaning up the offensive glass .

 

[fishonjazz]

Typical couscous

Lol
As if

 

[fishonjazz]

I dont know man, I just think DL is better at his job than you are at his job. You may be better at your job than he is at your job though. I'll give you that.

Wicked burn/back handed compliment

 

[enchilada_style]

Thanks brother. Took me 30 minutes to come up with and another 20 to type it.

 

[freakazoid]

Classic example of a strawman poll. There is of course another option. Keep them all. Kanter was restricted and would have signed his tender to play one more year for the jazz. The jazz got nothing of value from the trade other than a late round pick in the future that might never even make the team and the ability to start gobert. The coaching staff could have started gobert anyway so all we got is some cap space. I would have kept kanter before trading him for cap space and the very late draft picks.

Yeah, this is the same poop you were posting before our team chemistry suddenly flourished and Utah just happened to look like a much, much better team. There's no doubt that Utah sold low, but Kanter basically forced our hand. Also, I'm really impressed by the fact that Kanter can magically pass the ball now. I believe that Kanter was mismanaged somewhat under Corbin, but that's a pathetic excuse for playing like a selfish d-bag this year, and then demand a trade because of what happened a year or two ago. At the end of the day, Kanter was a malcontent who didn't want to be here. You and others have scoffed at the fact that there were chemistry issues, but it's pretty obvious by the way the team responded that our chemistry blossomed by shipping his *** out of town.
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Having said all that, if Utah would have had a decent chance of signing Kanter to a multi-year deal in the offseason, I would have been in favor of riding it out, even with the chemistry problems. Unfortunately, that possibility was iffy at best, and once he asked for a trade, the writing was on the wall. Having him take the QO would have been worthless, as his trade value would have remained limited. Keeping him and sending him to the bench would have been pointless. The ONLY reason to keep him would have been to maximize him as a trade asset, and that doesn't happen by sending him to the bench.
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Honestly, I can understand people being disappointed by the return we got. However, if anyone thinks we could have kept him as a part of the team going forward, I'd have to say those people were out of touch with what was going on with the team. Signing him to a multi-year deal would have been great, but only because he would have been a valuable trade asset.
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Finally, I think fans on both sides of this argument should just let it go for now, and see how things play out the rest of the year and in the offseason, instead of trying to claim validation after a few good/bad games. Kanter's attitude was a big part of the problem in Utah, and he's going to have some of the same issues in OKC and probably just about anywhere he goes. Maybe he learned from the experience and will alter his behavior, but I'm betting when all is said and done, Kanter will ultimately become a malcontent in OKC as well. My gut feeling is Kanter wants to be on the big stage, and will not want to play for a small market team like OKC. I'll just go ahead and bet my left nut that at the end of the day, Jazz fans will realize we got lucky by breaking ties when we did.

 

[addictionary]

The choice was obvious for both the Jazz's and Kanter's interest.

 

[LogGrad98]

Expound, please.

Limited minutes for 3 starting caliber bigs. Also money will eventually play a roll. There was no way we could keep all 3 long term and keep them all happy. It is rare to have 2 starting bigs of their caliber on the same team, let alone 3.

 

[LogGrad98]

If the Jazz hired Anderson when they could have for basically nothing Kanter would have scored 25+ here. Nobody would care on defense just like they dont in Oklahoma. A win is a win. Nobody cared when Shaq couldnt defense pick and roll.

After we dropped kanter we started to win. Explain please.

Also, where is your vote?

Man we need better trolls around here. The trollery has gone seriously downhill since HH left.

 

[Diamond77]

This thread was not necessary. If the Jazz could not afford to keep all 3 players, Kanter was the most likely candidates to be traded.

We are all debating the Jazz got almost nothing in return trading him. It seems like Lindsey shopped him only when he asked publicly for the trade, too late. The Kanter situation could have been managed much better.

You don't trade a young big man that guarantees 20 points and 10 rebounds and has All-Star potential for garbage.
I don't remember another similar trade in the last seasons. Maybe the Jazz underestimated his value.

 

[tleikheen]

After we dropped kanter we started to win. Explain please.

and now the Jazz are losing ...4 out of their last 5 ...and their last 3 home games

What's the problem ...... easy ....what was predicted in the 1st place ,lack of offense...not enough points

Love the defense ,but the Jazz are poor offensively ...where they going to get points

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah, this is the same poop you were posting before our team chemistry suddenly flourished and Utah just happened to look like a much, much better team. There's no doubt that Utah sold low, but Kanter basically forced our hand. Also, I'm really impressed by the fact that Kanter can magically pass the ball now. I believe that Kanter was mismanaged somewhat under Corbin, but that's a pathetic excuse for playing like a selfish d-bag this year, and then demand a trade because of what happened a year or two ago. At the end of the day, Kanter was a malcontent who didn't want to be here. You and others have scoffed at the fact that there were chemistry issues, but it's pretty obvious by the way the team responded that our chemistry blossomed by shipping his *** out of town.
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Having said all that, if Utah would have had a decent chance of signing Kanter to a multi-year deal in the offseason, I would have been in favor of riding it out, even with the chemistry problems. Unfortunately, that possibility was iffy at best, and once he asked for a trade, the writing was on the wall. Having him take the QO would have been worthless, as his trade value would have remained limited. Keeping him and sending him to the bench would have been pointless. The ONLY reason to keep him would have been to maximize him as a trade asset, and that doesn't happen by sending him to the bench.
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Honestly, I can understand people being disappointed by the return we got. However, if anyone thinks we could have kept him as a part of the team going forward, I'd have to say those people were out of touch with what was going on with the team. Signing him to a multi-year deal would have been great, but only because he would have been a valuable trade asset.
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Finally, I think fans on both sides of this argument should just let it go for now, and see how things play out the rest of the year and in the offseason, instead of trying to claim validation after a few good/bad games. Kanter's attitude was a big part of the problem in Utah, and he's going to have some of the same issues in OKC and probably just about anywhere he goes. Maybe he learned from the experience and will alter his behavior, but I'm betting when all is said and done, Kanter will ultimately become a malcontent in OKC as well. My gut feeling is Kanter wants to be on the big stage, and will not want to play for a small market team like OKC. I'll just go ahead and bet my left nut that at the end of the day, Jazz fans will realize we got lucky by breaking ties when we did.

Best post on this entire subject hands-down.

This thread was not necessary. If the Jazz could not afford to keep all 3 players, Kanter was the most likely candidates to be traded.

We are all debating the Jazz got almost nothing in return trading him. It seems like Lindsey shopped him only when he asked publicly for the trade, too late. The Kanter situation could have been managed much better.

You don't trade a young big man that guarantees 20 points and 10 rebounds and has All-Star potential for garbage.
I don't remember another similar trade in the last seasons. Maybe the Jazz underestimated his value.

This is why this thread was necessary. So many like you think we just ignored tons of offers to purposely take the worst offer we could find. Freak outlined very well why it ended up where it did. If you dispute that please put something out there other than conjecture and vague "but we got screwed cuz we're so dumb" comments. Yes I am sure if we had just waited until summer that we would have without a doubt made a 3 way trade with cleveland and minnesota that would have brought LeBron and Wiggins here next year both on 8 year contracts. Yeah, that was highly likely.