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Ron Mexico

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I am not quite sure what to do with my dog and thought maybe writing about it would help and who knows maybe one of you has some good advice.

Ill get this out of the way first. I love my dog just as much as any person and a lot more than most people. Money is somewhat of an issue(bad timing) but I am not going to make any choice based on money for him. I work so that I can enjoy my life and do things that I like and bring me joy. My dog is on the top of that list so I would rather have him around than a new car or whatever else I would spend the money on.

My dog is 11 years old and is a breed that should live to 15-20. He seems healthy and really happy. He tore his ACL over a year ago and we got it fixed right away. The recovery was rough but he was fine for a couple months. After a couple months he started dragging his foot just slightly when walking but not when running or playing. We thought it was tied to surgery. After we took him in he was misdiagnosed with lots and lots of stuff. It was a roller coaster of telling us things from he is going to die soon to its fine back and forth for months.

We finally ponied up and did CT scans and MRIs see what was going on. The were leaning towards being a slipped disk that was pinching nerves and causing problems but after and research decided it was a weird and rare type of tumor growing into his spinal cord. By this point he was paralyzed in his back legs and not walking on his own and in a lot of pain.

We were about to put him down but talked to the cancer specialist at Colorado State to get their opinion. Our local vet felt like he could remove it but it would grow back and recovery would be rough. Colorado state told us if we removed it and did radiation treatment he had a high chance of recovery ~90%.

We took him in for surgery right away at that point. Recovery was actually not bad at all. He did really well and was back to walking in a couple days which shocked us and the vet a bit.

We had the tumor looked at but it was a grade 3 tumor and one that didnt respond as well to radiation but CSU still felt good about radiation treatments and thought that would get rid of the cancer there but would have a 50/50 chance of spreading. If it spread then we could do chemo and he could be okay for a couple years. Chemo in dogs is not as harsh and the side effects are low.

So we did another CT scan and MRI to see if the cancer spread and to help get images for the radiation treatment (20 treatments across a month). During this evaluation at CSU we discovered a heart problem that he has probably had most his life and a slipped disk that does not seem to be causing pain or other issues but could in the future. They tested his heart more and thought it was fine for radiation treatment (they go under anesthesia which is the issue with the heart).

So we took him in for radiation treatment since they felt good about it and felt even more confident of him recovering to live 3+ years. Today the decided that maybe the heart is more of a concern and we should put in a pace maker before and let him recover then start the radiation. Or they could just do the radiation and run the risk of his heart quitting during the procedures. If that happened they would use a defibrillator but his heart might not start back up. His heart did stop during his spinal cord surgery but they felt it was due to stress of working inside the spinal cord. He had CPR obviously lived.

So here is the question. I have 3 options that all kind of suck.

1:
Pay all the money and do all the procedures including the pace maker. If we do this it is so harsh on him and I dont want my dog suffering. I want him alive but not if he isnt happy which so far he has been except right before the tumor removal when we had made arrangements to put him down. The pace maker buys dogs 5+ years with his type of heart thing. But we might do all of this and the cancer spreads aggressively and he passes away in a few months and has to endure all theses treatments. But if everything goes well and nothing spreads they feel he could live 5 years. He looks and acts young.

2:
Do the radiation and dont put in the pace maker. This is the option I have been leaning towards but if he dies under anesthesia I wont forgive myself for not just doing the pace maker. But he could be fine or he could have a heart problem and we could put in a pace maker then.

3:
Stop everything. He can walk now and is happy. Maybe the cancer does not come back (very very unlikely without radiation killing microscopic cancer cells around the tumor site). Maybe his heart is fine for awhile, its never been an issue outside of the surgery. He runs and exercises and has never shown any signs of a heart problem. Maybe the cancer does not spread, that is a 50/50 chance. But most likely anywhere from 3-9 months the tumor grows back and we can see the signs with a dragging leg that will get worse and we will enjoy our time with him until his pain level goes up or he is not happy enough.

There are a ton more details but I think this long ramble give you an idea. I didn't edit this so feel free to ask for clarification or more details if you care. I understand most people would not have gone this far already. Most people dont care about their dog as much, cant afford the procedures or just understand that dogs lives can be short and dont really want to do much for their health when they get older.

If you are a dog lover and maybe understand slightly what we are going though some feedback would be great.
 
I am not quite sure what to do with my dog and thought maybe writing about it would help and who knows maybe one of you has some good advice.

Ill get this out of the way first. I love my dog just as much as any person and a lot more than most people. Money is somewhat of an issue(bad timing) but I am not going to make any choice based on money for him. I work so that I can enjoy my life and do things that I like and bring me joy. My dog is on the top of that list so I would rather have him around than a new car or whatever else I would spend the money on.

My dog is 11 years old and is a breed that should live to 15-20. He seems healthy and really happy. He tore his ACL over a year ago and we got it fixed right away. The recovery was rough but he was fine for a couple months. After a couple months he started dragging his foot just slightly when walking but not when running or playing. We thought it was tied to surgery. After we took him in he was misdiagnosed with lots and lots of stuff. It was a roller coaster of telling us things from he is going to die soon to its fine back and forth for months.

We finally ponied up and did CT scans and MRIs see what was going on. The were leaning towards being a slipped disk that was pinching nerves and causing problems but after and research decided it was a weird and rare type of tumor growing into his spinal cord. By this point he was paralyzed in his back legs and not walking on his own and in a lot of pain.

We were about to put him down but talked to the cancer specialist at Colorado State to get their opinion. Our local vet felt like he could remove it but it would grow back and recovery would be rough. Colorado state told us if we removed it and did radiation treatment he had a high chance of recovery ~90%.

We took him in for surgery right away at that point. Recovery was actually not bad at all. He did really well and was back to walking in a couple days which shocked us and the vet a bit.

We had the tumor looked at but it was a grade 3 tumor and one that didnt respond as well to radiation but CSU still felt good about radiation treatments and thought that would get rid of the cancer there but would have a 50/50 chance of spreading. If it spread then we could do chemo and he could be okay for a couple years. Chemo in dogs is not as harsh and the side effects are low.

So we did another CT scan and MRI to see if the cancer spread and to help get images for the radiation treatment (20 treatments across a month). During this evaluation at CSU we discovered a heart problem that he has probably had most his life and a slipped disk that does not seem to be causing pain or other issues but could in the future. They tested his heart more and thought it was fine for radiation treatment (they go under anesthesia which is the issue with the heart).

So we took him in for radiation treatment since they felt good about it and felt even more confident of him recovering to live 3+ years. Today the decided that maybe the heart is more of a concern and we should put in a pace maker before and let him recover then start the radiation. Or they could just do the radiation and run the risk of his heart quitting during the procedures. If that happened they would use a defibrillator but his heart might not start back up. His heart did stop during his spinal cord surgery but they felt it was due to stress of working inside the spinal cord. He had CPR obviously lived.

So here is the question. I have 3 options that all kind of suck.

1:
Pay all the money and do all the procedures including the pace maker. If we do this it is so harsh on him and I dont want my dog suffering. I want him alive but not if he isnt happy which so far he has been except right before the tumor removal when we had made arrangements to put him down. The pace maker buys dogs 5+ years with his type of heart thing. But we might do all of this and the cancer spreads aggressively and he passes away in a few months and has to endure all theses treatments. But if everything goes well and nothing spreads they feel he could live 5 years. He looks and acts young.

2:
Do the radiation and dont put in the pace maker. This is the option I have been leaning towards but if he dies under anesthesia I wont forgive myself for not just doing the pace maker. But he could be fine or he could have a heart problem and we could put in a pace maker then.

3:
Stop everything. He can walk now and is happy. Maybe the cancer does not come back (very very unlikely without radiation killing microscopic cancer cells around the tumor site). Maybe his heart is fine for awhile, its never been an issue outside of the surgery. He runs and exercises and has never shown any signs of a heart problem. Maybe the cancer does not spread, that is a 50/50 chance. But most likely anywhere from 3-9 months the tumor grows back and we can see the signs with a dragging leg that will get worse and we will enjoy our time with him until his pain level goes up or he is not happy enough.

There are a ton more details but I think this long ramble give you an idea. I didn't edit this so feel free to ask for clarification or more details if you care. I understand most people would not have gone this far already. Most people dont care about their dog as much, cant afford the procedures or just understand that dogs lives can be short and dont really want to do much for their health when they get older.

If you are a dog lover and maybe understand slightly what we are going though some feedback would be great.

We had a golden retriever that we got from a rescue. She appeared to have some hip issues when walking but we adopted her anyway. Come to find out, after getting X-rays, she literally was born with no "balls" on her upper thigh bones where they insert into the hip socket. Long story short, we had some put in her to the tune of several thousand dollars so I am probably not the person to get advice from.
 
We had a golden retriever that we got from a rescue. She appeared to have some hip issues when walking but we adopted her anyway. Come to find out, after getting X-rays, she literally was born with no "balls" on her upper thigh bones where they insert into the hip socket. Long story short, we had some put in her to the tune of several thousand dollars so I am probably not the person to get advice from.

Thats sad and hard to spend that much money. Time sometimes changes the feelings but spending a lot of money on health problems for animals or humans is always frustrating. It feels wasteful. Having a dog that has been by my side every where for 11 years and I have had him since a puppy makes me much more attached.
 
Damn bro, I got choked up and tears in my eyes.

First of all, holy **** you are awesome for doing all of this. You are my hero. I feel like I am the biggest dog lover out there and I would have put him down already.
So no matter what you decide, you better not feel any guilt whatsoever. You have been the best dad any dog could ask for.

Aside from that I don't really have any advice for you on what you should do. I would have no idea what to do if I were in your position. I really feel for ya.

Just don't be selfish and keep him alive if he gets to the point where his quality of life is total crap. If he gets to that point do the right thing and put him down.

We put one of our cats down a month or so ago and it was the right choice and we got to say goodbye and be there when she went to sleep. Super fast, super painless and easy, and it wasn't expensive either.
I'm not a big cat lover so it wasn't so hard on me. I liked her but didn't need her if ya know what I mean.

On the other hand, I need Rex. I'm so scared of the day when he dies. Gonna kill me.

Sorry for the situation you are. Poor dog. Good luck whatever you decide. Give him a piece of bacon for me
 
Damn bro, I got choked up and tears in my eyes.

First of all, holy **** you are awesome for doing all of this. You are my hero. I feel like I am the biggest dog lover out there and I would have put him down already.
So no matter what you decide, you better not feel any guilt whatsoever. You have been the best dad any dog could ask for.

Aside from that I don't really have any advice for you on what you should do. I would have no idea what to do if I were in your position. I really feel for ya.

Just don't be selfish and keep him alive if he gets to the point where hours quality of life is total crap. If he gets to that point do the right thing and put him down.

We put one of our cats down a month or so ago and it was the right choice and we got to say goodbye and be there when she went to sleep. Super fast, super painless and easy, and it wasn't expensive either.
I'm not a big cat lover so it wasn't so hard on me. I liked her but didn't need her if ya know what I mean.

On the other hand, I need Rex. I'm so scared of the day when he dies. Gonna kill me.

Sorry for the situation you are. Poor dog. Good luck whatever you decide. Give him a piece of bacon for me

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I've had terrible experiences with medical treatment for pets. I haven't done it as an adult but growing up I had a cat I absolutely loved that got cancer. My parents paid for treatment and a week later the cat died having never really recovered from the treatment.

Had a golden retriever the had some hip issues. Parents paid for surgery, dog never recovered and had to be put down.

Another mostly golden retriever had some medical issues after I moved out, but I had spent a lot of with that dog. Died a few weeks after surgery.

I have a 20 year old cat now that my wife and I adopted when we were still dating. Last month the cat went blind. Has lost a bunch of weight. But still getting around okay and still loves attention. I'm not taking the cat to a vet. If her health declines to the point she's miserable I will put her down.
 
I've had terrible experiences with medical treatment for pets. I haven't done it as an adult but growing up I had a cat I absolutely loved that got cancer. My parents paid for treatment and a week later the cat died having never really recovered from the treatment.

Had a golden retriever the had some hip issues. Parents paid for surgery, dog never recovered and had to be put down.

Another mostly golden retriever had some medical issues after I moved out, but I had spent a lot of with that dog. Died a few weeks after surgery.

I have a 20 year old cat now that my wife and I adopted when we were still dating. Last month the cat went blind. Has lost a bunch of weight. But still getting around okay and still loves attention. I'm not taking the cat to a vet. If her health declines to the point she's miserable I will put her down.

That is some bad luck. But 20 years for a cat is pretty awesome. I would probably feel the same way if my dog or cat made it that long.
 
I'm sorry for your situation, Ron. It blows.

We had to put down one of our dogs about five years ago after he became pretty aggressive around our other dog due to the meds he was on for Doggy Alzheimer's. He had been blind for a couple years and then this happened and both dogs being part Chow mixes, well, they could get more than a little aggressive. So we made the decision on a Friday night to have him put down the next morning. It felt right both mentally (we would've come home to blood everywhere and one of them dead on the floor from a brawl had we not done this) and emotionally (his blindness and Alzheimer's had become taxing on us and I slept on a sofa for months because of it). We had no regrets as he had a good life and was a great dog and the timing felt right in all ways.

Having said that, I believe only you truly know what is best for your loved one. If you believe that to be #2 as you stated, I would go that route. That's not to say that I myself would but only you know what is in the best interests of both your dog and your family. In all ways. Talk it out with your wife and I'm confident you could mutually come to a decision that feels right to you both based on your dog's journey to this point and the options he has available now.
 
I had a dog that had cancer and I had them do surgery which really only bought him another 6 months. I totally get it. It's really a tough thing to go through, but very hard to give advice as every situation is different. If the dog is healthy and happy, I don't think I personally would put him through medical procedures to try and be pro-active, but man, this really is a kind of a personal decision that nobody can really tell you what to do. Go with your gut feeling, but keep in mind that regardless of how many years a certain breed should live, when a dog starts having medical problems like this, no matter what you do the dog's life will almost certainly be shorter than average. So if you're thinking average is 15-20 years, your dog is probably going to be less than 15, regardless of what you do. Anyway, best of luck as I know full well how much it sucks to go through this.
 
Every minute I change my mind from the three options so im not sure. I did decide to meet with a team of everyone involved from CSU in the morning to get as much info as I can before deciding.

But I do appreciate everyone's stories and feedback.

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Just want to say that I like threads like this (personal/advice/get to know each other, real life type threads)
 
What breed of dog btw?
 
What breed of dog btw?
I have two dogs he is a West highland terrier. The other is beagle mix. He is the first non hunting stuff I have had. Most of my dogs have been Setters. I never thought I would like a smaller dog but he grew pretty quick on me and is a super smart dog. Small is relative I guess, he is about 25 pounds. My beagle mix is the nicest dog in the world and loves everyone and everything but is more instinctual than smart. My Westie has slept curled up back to back with me almost every night for 11 years. Funny because I never thought I would have an indoor dog let along one that slept in my bed but he won me over the first night I had him as a puppy.

I left him home alone overnight once as a puppy (never again) thinking he would be okay. When I got home he had pulled all of my shoes unharmed out of the closet and piled them up in front of the front door and was sleeping on top of them when I got back.
 
I have two dogs he is a West highland terrier. The other is beagle mix. He is the first non hunting stuff I have had. Most of my dogs have been Setters. I never thought I would like a smaller dog but he grew pretty quick on me and is a super smart dog. Small is relative I guess, he is about 25 pounds. My beagle mix is the nicest dog in the world and loves everyone and everything but is more instinctual than smart. My Westie has slept curled up back to back with me almost every night for 11 years. Funny because I never thought I would have an indoor dog let along one that slept in my bed but he won me over the first night I had him as a puppy.

I left him home alone overnight once as a puppy (never again) thinking he would be okay. When I got home he had pulled all of my shoes unharmed out of the closet and piled them up in front of the front door and was sleeping on top of them when I got back.

That last part is so cute. My dog is super spoiled indoor dog and I love when he sleeps on the bed with me but my wife rarely allows it.
One of my favorite things about camping that I get to sleep on the bed with him.

I always had hunting dogs growing up. (Brittany spaniels, English setter, black lab) and have some sort of mixed breed farm dog. Mostly healer with some aussie I think.

Googling west highland terrier now...... damn that is a cute breed. Do they only come with white coats?
 
That last part is so cute. My dog is super spoiled indoor dog and I love when he sleeps on the bed with me but my wife rarely allows it.
One of my favorite things about camping that I get to sleep on the bed with him.

I always had hunting dogs growing up. (Brittany spaniels, English setter, black lab) and have some sort of mixed breed farm dog. Mostly healer with some aussie I think.

Googling west highland terrier now...... damn that is a cute breed. Do they only come with white coats?
Yes they are always white. They were bred from a dog called Cairns. Which were brown mostly with some white. They just bred the white ones to make Westies.

I like healer's they are smart and loyal dogs.

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I'm gonna watch this one on tnt. This will be my first non root game.
 
X gonna get lots of burn tonight.
 
I hope this south Carolina vs Florida state ends soon. I gotta finish watching it before I switch over to the jazz game.
 
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