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Quin asked if there is total buy-in from the team, Rudy Gay spat

LoPo said:
We got way too many guys who want the ball and not enough guys who want to defend the ball.

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We've had that for a couple of years now and it's worked far better than it is currently. Something just feels different, and the pending trade deadline certainly isn't helping. Bringing in Ainge has compounded the stress of that particular situation in my opinion.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
We've had that for a couple of years now and it's worked far better than it is currently. Something just feels different, and the pending trade deadline certainly isn't helping. Bringing in Ainge has compounded the stress of that particular situation in my opinion.
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The NBA is filled with really smart people and talented players. We haven't adapted to play playoff basketball, and everybody has adapted to us. We can out-talent a lot of teams, but the good ones know they can beat us. Regular season success is borderline irrelevant if you aren't built for playoff basketball.

I'll use a college football comparison. We are built like a Big 12 team. The regular season looks good and some stats pop out, but they get exposed in the college football playoff.

This team needs a major shake up - either the roster or the coach, and I'm quite certain it won't be the coach.
 
One Brow said:
Sloan would have used a quirkier vocabulary, but would have said largely the same thing.
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I don't know. I think Sloan would have been pretty quick to call the team out about their play, and not get as personally insulted by the question. Sloan was very no-nonsense, there are examples of responses of his to similar questions which is where the "jackpotting" jazz-meme comes from. He would not have gotten personally defensive about it at all, imo.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I don't know. I think Sloan would have been pretty quick to call the team out about their play, and not get as personally insulted by the question. Sloan was very no-nonsense, there are examples of responses of his to similar questions which is where the "jackpotting" jazz-meme comes from. He would not have gotten personally defensive about it at all, imo.
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Sloan wasn’t perfect or close to it… prime Sloan wouldn’t have stood for the ****** effort and lack of focus. That bad *** quit at halftime because he was sick of a dude not doing what he asked. After friggin 20 years or some ****… he said him or me and bounced. He had more fight in him than anyone on this team. He may very well have said he wasn’t doing a good job getting the guys ready or taken some blame. Quin is not holding himself or the players accountable.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Sloan wasn’t perfect or close to it… prime Sloan wouldn’t have stood for the ****** effort and lack of focus. That bad *** quit at halftime because he was sick of a dude not doing what he asked. After friggin 20 years or some ****… he said him or me and bounced. He had more fight in him than anyone on this team. He may very well have said he wasn’t doing a good job getting the guys ready or taken some blame. Quin is not holding himself or the players accountable.
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And if a player disrespected Sloan, he'd bench their ***. ****, he quit when ownership wouldn't let him bench Deron. He was no-nonsense, and you played hard or you didn't play. It helped that your two stars approached the game the same way.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
And if a player disrespected Sloan, he'd bench their ***. ****, he quit when ownership wouldn't let him bench Deron. He was no-nonsense, and you played hard or you didn't play. It helped that your two stars approached the game the same way.
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Quin gave a rousing speech after the game though... where he told them they know what to do and they should do it.

Sometimes you just need a guy that will tell you that you are playing like ******* and if you come at him he will literally fight you... and probably win. RIP
 
Quin needs to hold his players accountable. If guys don't buy in to his gameplan, bench their *** and start playing Butler/Paschall/Hughes/House, etc. Fans would love to see them anyways. No reason to stick with the old guys no matter what. He's forced himself into this situation so he's only got himself to blame.
 
LoPo said:
The NBA is filled with really smart people and talented players. We haven't adapted to play playoff basketball, and everybody has adapted to us. We can out-talent a lot of teams, but the good ones know they can beat us. Regular season success is borderline irrelevant if you aren't built for playoff basketball.

I'll use a college football comparison. We are built like a Big 12 team. The regular season looks good and some stats pop out, but they get exposed in the college football playoff.

This team needs a major shake up - either the roster or the coach, and I'm quite certain it won't be the coach.
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How well do Quin and Ryan Smith get along? Quin and Ainge? And Dwayne? Quin might want to schmooze them at this point.

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It sounds like Rudy is going to be out for awhile. It might be time to either give Dok some run or sign a GLeague center to a 10 day.
 
Quin is a media darling. Seriously, the media LOVES Quin. They would quickly laugh at and make fun of certain coaches for similar failures. In fact, Mike Malone and Ty Lue were both laughingstocks at different times during their careers and they totally coached circles around Quin in the playoffs. Quin is the epitome of the “great hire” coach that media/NBA twitter loves. If you don’t fit into that “great hire” mold, you’re going to get **** on by the media. We don’t need to get into the specifics right now, but there are some coaching candidates that the media universally loves/hates from the get go.

Regardless of his actual performance, new owner and new GM (CEO or whatever Ainge is) are instant red flags for any coach. When a new regime comes in, they want their own guys and not the guys who were put in places by the people before them.

Add in the general bad vibes around this team and extreme pressure to win now….I definitely think Quin is on the hot seat. I’d still be surprised if he gets fired mid season, but if they don’t get to the WCF this will be his last year.
 
I still maintain that I think DM has the complete ear of Smith, Wade and the braintrust of how this organization goes forward post-LHM. I'm not convinced that Quin's coaching style is working to the degree that it did when this organization was on the outside looking in and these guys were younger on rookie contracts trying to improve themselves and stick in a tough league. Those days have moved on.

Remember, when Snyder was extended, we had a different front office, a different owner, even different colors. This isn't the same organization that it was three years ago.

I continue to get the feeling that unless our playoff run is spectacular, Quin will be asked to depart and the Jazz will go all-in on bringing in someone like Johnnie Bryant. It just feels like this is it.
 
KqWIN said:
Quin is a media darling. Seriously, the media LOVES Quin. They would quickly laugh at and make fun of certain coaches for similar failures. In fact, Mike Malone and Ty Lue were both laughingstocks at different times during their careers and they totally coached circles around Quin in the playoffs. Quin is the epitome of the “great hire” coach that media/NBA twitter loves. If you don’t fit into that “great hire” mold, you’re going to get **** on by the media. We don’t need to get into the specifics right now, but there are some coaching candidates that the media universally loves/hates from the get go.

Regardless of his actual performance, new owner and new GM (CEO or whatever Ainge is) are instant red flags for any coach. When a new regime comes in, they want their own guys and not the guys who were put in places by the people before them.

Add in the general bad vibes around this team and extreme pressure to win now….I definitely think Quin is on the hot seat. I’d still be surprised if he gets fired mid season, but if they don’t get to the WCF this will be his last year.
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I think he's a good coach. I think his voice has gone stale. I don't think he's a top tier coach... I think we very well might end up with a worse coach if we fired him but that doesn't mean you don't make a change.

When guys aren't playing hard or aren't executing your scheme then a ton of that falls back on the coach. Quin seems to think saying "you know what to do, so do it" is the answer. He is either failing to communicate, failing to motivate, or not understanding that his personnel can't do what he's asking.

It is hilarious how insulated he is. Andy Larsen is the only media member that we have that would ask a hard question or a follow up. Hilarious that a "buy-in" question is what sets him off... its a super fair question.

There are also the rumblings that Quin can't bench player X or ask player Y to be better on defense or he will lose them... Huh? Then ****ing lose them because they will be lost either way... just letting it play out over and over isn't working either. Then his tolerance for young player mistakes is like zero... those guys are actually learning this stuff... maybe let them breathe a little and the guys who "know what to do" can ride the bench since they aren't doing something they know they are supposed to do.

We are headed for a first round exit and a total **** storm.
 
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